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[identity profile] spacehead5.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
Marketing campaign for what? I'm not pro-Hummer.

I'm simply wondering if people are able to hold jet-set hipsters to the same level of disgust. It's really that simple.

True, I took offense to being called a Republican, but that's besides the point.

I don't care if you're hostile. It's the internet, but I do like to engage in people who are capable of exchanging ideas and perspective. Thanks.

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[identity profile] spacehead5.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
Nice. Are you of Palestinian descent? My father is from Tripoli, Lebanaon - but is a Roman Catholic Palestinian. His name is Jenan, after the town they were from. I speak fluently and somewhat know Arabic in written form, incase you ever want to berate me incognito.

I wish I could throw my car away, but I live in a town that is nearly impossible to get around while having a job, without a car. I'm highly interested in all-electric vehicles and infrastructure, as I think that's the way to go. Hybrid batteries don't really amuse me, nor do mercury light bulbs.

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[identity profile] flintultrasparc.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I find your views intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

P.S. They figured out that if they add sails to boats, they increase fuel efficiency. Doh!

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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_ex_cowboy/ 2008-07-22 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
the fact that you brought up a completely invalid contrast is probably why nobody cares to give you an answer and also shows that you seem to have a sore spot when someone accurately acknowledges that no one should own a hummer and anyone who does is an arrogant twit.

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[identity profile] plexq.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
People who drive hummers choose to damage the environment by driving what they drive. Most people who fly on planes have very little other choice than to travel that way. who can spend 10 days on a cruise ship crossing the atlantic these days for business?

And besides, chigaco to london is about 4000 miles, plane burns 22,000 gallons, holds about 250 passengers. That equals about 45 miles per gallon per passenger. WAY better than a Hummer.

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[identity profile] spacehead5.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
My stance is that most of these flights are no more necessary than the additional weight of a Hummer H3. What the fuck do you need to go to London for? Because you enjoy it? That's what the hummer guy is going to cite as his reasoning, as well.

Granted, I can't stand the things.

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[identity profile] misfratz.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
Uh, what? You cite academics specifically, who often have to travel for work. I eagerly await the day that I can carry out all international collaborations by video-link and remote-controlled lab robot so I don't have to sit on a plane surrounded by wanky conservatives (who obviously NEVER travel on planes, right?) and their whining, bottle-fed, caffeinated infants for 14 hours, kthx. Either that or the zeppelins. But until then, how else do you suggest that I work with research groups in other countries?

Also, I know of plenty of academics who travel by train where possible- including someone who is going from the UK to Hungary by rail for a conference. Maybe if you started bitching about the lack of decent rail alternatives in the US (I imagine that's where you are, as no one in any other country things that driving a fucking huge all-terrain vehicle in a town makes sense), you'd actually have some effect on the issue you claim to be concerned with.

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[identity profile] spacehead5.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 08:11 am (UTC)(link)
Why do people take this so personally? Having rational conversation on the internet is like getting lost in a cave. Plenty of non-sequitors and misdirection.

I cited an example of people, who DO NOT TRAVEL TO FUCKING PUERTO RICO, PORTLAND, OR INDIA FOR FUCKING WORK YOU FUCKING TARD.. I was not making a blanket statement about all humans on Earth. Just used an example. Get a grip. If your work requires you to travel somehwere, then that's on them, not you. I'm not about policing somebody's carbon footprint. I'm more for better infrastructure from the energy production and utilization side.

The question is:

If a person drives a Jetta (popular car for hipsters for some reason) and travels on jet planes for leisure (to visit, to marvel in their worldliness, etc.) - and if that person uses as much (or more) carbon footprint as the person who drives a Hummer H3 (Hummer = contrasting posterboy for asshole polluters) - then is this person in the Jetta also scoffed at in the same way as the Hummer driver? Fuck no.

I've never seen some clever graphic depicting an academic traveling to India to write a thesis paper on Urban poor and meanwhile taking a trip around the world for the fuck of it - in a negative "youre an asshole for polluting the planet" connotation.

The whole point is that there is a fad element to it. (Atleast, here in the states)

You could fly all over the damn place because you have the money but still be able to criticize your neighbor who drives a stupid Hummer that gets 10 miles per gallon less than a normal car. America is full of hypocrisy and bumper-sticker slogans that perpetuate most of our politics. "support the troops" blah blah.

This isn't a black and white, with us or against us, type deal.

The world isn't ready to look beyond convenient politically correct environmentalism, so I'll leave this kind person's livejournal alone from now on, as I've intruded enough already.

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[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
golly it's almost like america is fucked by its own scarcity of optionable lifestyles huh?

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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_ex_cowboy/ 2008-07-22 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
you've been the only one taking it personally as well as making an inane and unnecessary argument because why?

hummers are for assholes. i made that statement and i don't need to provide an equating example of something else that makes me angry to validate it. what was your point? you didn't have one, you just wanted to win the internets and that's sad. almost as sad as, what i thought was a grown person, using the word "tard" (wah!)

politically correct environmentalism haha... how are your local libertarian candidates fairing?

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[identity profile] faithhopetricks.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
This said, I'm still not convinced that you are a real person and not some poorly aimed viral marketing campaign.

....I heart you. (This, plus everything else you said.)