HEE! This repays me for sitting and reading all the comments. HA!
I dont agree necessarily. Some Palestinians want to push Israelis into the sea, "pushing into the sea" being a metaphor for something ickier. There are a lot of people there that are suffering and stupid (like anywhere else! sorry, lots of people just are kinda dim. everywhere.) You think suffering doesnt make you cruel? Look at children that have been beaten by their parents. Let's stop imagining that Palestinians are some saintly nation. They're PEOPLE. Like ANYONE ELSE. A huge amount of them have been through completely inhumane circumstances for years. That has effects and they're not pretty. Maybe if they stop being trampled on it will be less, two minutes years decades who the hell knows. But Palestinians are not a monolith, and there are places that are like dirty little cut off corners, where you dont hear what goes on there except when the army invades and kills or someone escapes and kills, and if you think that Ramallah politico opinions or charismatic Hamas spokespeople define "the Palestinians", maybe on a superficial level, some basic common denominator, but spurts of violence tell another part of the story.
Every person I know that lived in Nablus has heard people talking about wanting/wishing to kill all the Jews. Children, rich children, sad men in Balata camp, people. The way you wish for a beautiful mansion for your mother, not in the sense that you're going to do it.
I was arguing with someone about this, and he said, "but wouldnt someone who has lived through the Holocaust feel the same way? or someone living during the Holocaust, in a concentration camp?" I was angry at the time, but re-recalling what he wrote, it is a valid psychological comparison in a lot of ways.
(Israelis are the same, in terms of diversity and range of ugly to enlightened in opinion. I mean there are plenty of Israelis that really believe Palestinians should be killed. There are plenty that think lovely things about ending the occupation and whatnot. I just want to make it clear I'm not putting one side out to be monsters and not the other. And- just for saying's sake- I'm pointing out one part of what I saw living there, because the absence of that aspect was presented was presented in a definitive manner. The side that I mentioned is also not definitive. But it does exist. It sucks to accept that. But can you really have love for people if you don't truly accept them, good and bad? Knowing that some Palestinians think terrible things doesnt change their cause. It just means they're human.)
(that got super heavy. especially in response to what seemed to be a jokey post by you. what i really wanted to write was- as follows--)
But double-ha, and points for style,
and "Just fucking stop it!" is always true. As is the last sentence.
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I dont agree necessarily. Some Palestinians want to push Israelis into the sea, "pushing into the sea" being a metaphor for something ickier. There are a lot of people there that are suffering and stupid (like anywhere else! sorry, lots of people just are kinda dim. everywhere.) You think suffering doesnt make you cruel? Look at children that have been beaten by their parents. Let's stop imagining that Palestinians are some saintly nation. They're PEOPLE. Like ANYONE ELSE. A huge amount of them have been through completely inhumane circumstances for years. That has effects and they're not pretty. Maybe if they stop being trampled on it will be less, two minutes years decades who the hell knows. But Palestinians are not a monolith, and there are places that are like dirty little cut off corners, where you dont hear what goes on there except when the army invades and kills or someone escapes and kills, and if you think that Ramallah politico opinions or charismatic Hamas spokespeople define "the Palestinians", maybe on a superficial level, some basic common denominator, but spurts of violence tell another part of the story.
Every person I know that lived in Nablus has heard people talking about wanting/wishing to kill all the Jews. Children, rich children, sad men in Balata camp, people. The way you wish for a beautiful mansion for your mother, not in the sense that you're going to do it.
I was arguing with someone about this, and he said, "but wouldnt someone who has lived through the Holocaust feel the same way? or someone living during the Holocaust, in a concentration camp?" I was angry at the time, but re-recalling what he wrote, it is a valid psychological comparison in a lot of ways.
(Israelis are the same, in terms of diversity and range of ugly to enlightened in opinion. I mean there are plenty of Israelis that really believe Palestinians should be killed. There are plenty that think lovely things about ending the occupation and whatnot. I just want to make it clear I'm not putting one side out to be monsters and not the other. And- just for saying's sake- I'm pointing out one part of what I saw living there, because the absence of that aspect was presented was presented in a definitive manner. The side that I mentioned is also not definitive. But it does exist. It sucks to accept that. But can you really have love for people if you don't truly accept them, good and bad? Knowing that some Palestinians think terrible things doesnt change their cause. It just means they're human.)
(that got super heavy. especially in response to what seemed to be a jokey post by you. what i really wanted to write was- as follows--)
But double-ha, and points for style,
and "Just fucking stop it!" is always true. As is the last sentence.