sabotabby: (teacher lady)
sabotabby ([personal profile] sabotabby) wrote2011-11-30 05:59 pm

Schools are prisons

Perhaps some of you have seen this story on BoingBoing already: A 5-year-old boy with probable ADHD was handcuffed and charged with battery on an officer after he threw a temper tantrum in class. The officer touched him non-consensually (we teachers, except in unusual circumstances to protect a child or when working with developmentally delayed children, are not generally advised or permitted to make any sort of physical contact with children. Though I sometimes fist-bump or high-five them because that cannot possibly be mistaken for anything other than a fist-bump or high-five.). According to the fascist pig who arrested this little boy, the child only reacted violently after the officer put a hand on him.

You get no internet points for guessing the skin colour of the victim.

Lest you think that this is an unusual occurrence, I must point out that the militarization of public schools is a growing phenomenon. In New York City, the NYPD had 5,055 school safety agents (SSAs) and 191 armed police officers in public schools, comprising the fifth largest police force in the U.S., outnumbering the police forces of Washington D.C., Detroit, Boston or Las Vegas.

Here in Toronto, the TDSB is for some reason hazy about how many armed men with guns are patrolling its hallways. In 2009-10, there were 36, representing around 35% of secondary schools. Cops use this access to students to build criminal cases. I have heard anecdotal reports that students have been charged when, before there was a police presence in schools, they would simply have been disciplined by the school's administration.

You know, someone has to fill those superjails that Harper is building.

As for the little boy whose rights were so egregiously violated, I will be stunned if either the school or the cop faces any sort of repercussions. The BoingBoing commentariat mainly had their heads on straight, but if you go to the original article, you will see that many people in America welcome fascism and don't believe that five is too young to give 'em the chair.
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[personal profile] ironed_orchid 2011-11-30 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
That is so fucked up.

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2011-11-30 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Come on. space rock!

[identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com 2011-11-30 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
So do I, but I could not be trusted with its responsible use.
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[personal profile] ironed_orchid 2011-11-30 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
As someone who had the occasional tantrum until I was about 10, yeah, I'm really glad my school was run by hippies who used time out and then gentle talking rather than physical violence and restraint.

I'd guess that the officer doesn't have kids, or much contact with young kids. But then why the fuck was he working in a school?

[identity profile] franklanguage.livejournal.com 2011-11-30 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Many people right here on LiveJournal would probably say he was old enough to get the chair; I'm getting sick of most of the people in communities I belong to—present company excluded.

[identity profile] radiumhead.livejournal.com 2011-11-30 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Are the any laws about this?

Im thinking no matter how fucked up something is, if the cops can get away with it, they will.

" well theres no law SAYING i cant handcuff a 5 year old."
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[personal profile] ironed_orchid 2011-11-30 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
My tantrums were usually about communications failure.
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[identity profile] lienne.livejournal.com 2011-12-01 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
what

the

HELL

[identity profile] symbioid.livejournal.com 2011-12-01 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
I read that last night and was so fucking pissed. Fuckin' pigs.

And your NYCLU link made me think of these lyrics by RATM:


Ain't it funny how the factory doors close
Round the time that the school doors close
Round the time that the doors of the jail cells
Open up to greet you like the reaper


(and isn't that taken from like some propaganda or social theorist or something? about the school and factories being tied into each others as institutions)

[identity profile] canonfire.livejournal.com 2011-12-01 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
You've read Henry Giroux, right? Youth in a Suspect Society?

[identity profile] springheel-jack.livejournal.com 2011-12-01 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
I wasn't even aware you could "charge" a 5-year-old with anything.

[identity profile] symbioid.livejournal.com 2011-12-01 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
Speaking of Xth largest Y

Bloomberg says "I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world."

[identity profile] misslynx.livejournal.com 2011-12-01 06:43 am (UTC)(link)

D-:

[identity profile] eyelid.livejournal.com 2011-12-01 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
who are these people commenting that this is the kid's own fault and the kid should know better etc? Do they not realize that they are talking about a KINDERGARTENER? this is not a 17-yr-old bumping the ceiling into adulthood, this is a really little kid.

Also, WTF was this school thinking sending a police officer in to scare a kindergartner??

If this were my kid there would be some fucking heads rolling.

[identity profile] pofflewomp.livejournal.com 2011-12-01 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Fuck.

Of course, I think schools are prisons anyway, except that you are allowed out of them at the end of the day. Day-prisons.

But this is sick. I am scared we will become a police state too soon. They are training police here to use rubber bullets on rioters. Which means they'll be used on protesters, of course.

I would not like to live somewhere where police are allowed to carry guns. I think it is disgusting and shows what people think of normal citizens, that they should be forced to comply by the threat of violence. UGH.

Poor child.

[identity profile] pofflewomp.livejournal.com 2011-12-01 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, of course police here now have tasers, and have always had batons, so have always looked violent. Guns are just extra scary and evil because they are lethal, though.

[identity profile] pofflewomp.livejournal.com 2011-12-01 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Goodness me - isn't that normal behaviour? I used to do that frequently as a child. I'm sure comics encourage it. The Beano certainly did, at least. Could they be sued for that?
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[personal profile] ironed_orchid 2011-12-01 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
WHAT THE FUCK!?
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[personal profile] ironed_orchid 2011-12-01 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, have you seen We Are All Born Free, it's an illustrated version of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, aimed at primary school kids. It's got some great illustrations and I bet you could use it to teach design while subtly getting the human rights message across ;-)

[identity profile] eyelid.livejournal.com 2011-12-01 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I think a 17-yr-old can be expected to not assault the police officer even if the officer does nonconsensually touch the kid's hand. though I think the officer was way out of line to do that.


I am so worried about a situation like that happening at our school. We get a different cop every year, and I don't trust any of them. I don't think armed men should be allowed around children.

I don't think I would be worried, but I agree there's no need for police in schools and they shouldn't be there.
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[identity profile] scruloose.livejournal.com 2011-12-01 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Can you be shocked while entirely unsurprised?

That's absurd, disturbing, and so very far outside reasonable adult behaviour. And yet, the only thing that surprises me is that the kid didn't get pepper sprayed.