But yes, right wing reports on events are likely to be dodgy, which is why it makes sense to have trustworthy reports to refute them. As opposed to providing no official report on the incident for 4 days.
I'd say that what makes trustworthy reports stand apart is that they accurately report on the facts instead of jumping to conclusions (especially bigoted conclusions). A report like that takes time, especially in a case like this where there were several people involved and several attacks.
Considering that just a while ago there were 31 suspects and these included two Germans, one Serb, and one American citizen, it's pretty obvious to me that the issue might have instead been about the fact that there were/are tons of suspects, and not all of them from the countries you'd expect.
sabotabby has also made a good point re: public order and safety, and alarming people by releasing information without knowing what's going on first.
I'm also not sure why you think an Egyptian victim is some kind of refutation.
I'm pointing out the dangers of jumping to conclusions, which is what a bunch of people did when they first heard the reports about the Egyptian passport.
If you think the Cologne attacks matter then I'm not at all clear what we are disagreeing on here.
I think the difference here is the nuance of the discussion. We can both agree that the attacks matter while coming from very different places.
To clarify, I think the attacks matter because addressing sexual assault is important. Sexual assault and harassment are never ok. However, it also seems to me like the attacks are now being used as a tool to further a certain agenda. There's a long, long history of "oh no, these Other men are attacking and corrupting our women" being used to argue that these blanket Other group (black men, gay men, Jewish men, etc.) Do Not Belong. That is what it looks like right now, considering that these news are being used as an excuse to be wary of refugees as a whole -- when the issue is actually about rape culture and misogyny, which are things that exist in most cultures I can think of, white men are also capable of, and can affect women who aren't white (including women who are refugees right now).
That was my point a few comments up: a lot of the people who are complaining about this situation are people who are very glad to make excuses for rape culture every other day of the week, which is more than a little suspicious.
We seem to agree that the Left "making a deal with the devil" is an issue, but we clearly have different notions of what it looks like.
I don't want to make waves on sabotabby's journal, so I won't keep replying here when browngirl and sabotabby have explained it better than I could.
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Date: 2016-01-23 11:22 pm (UTC)I'd say that what makes trustworthy reports stand apart is that they accurately report on the facts instead of jumping to conclusions (especially bigoted conclusions). A report like that takes time, especially in a case like this where there were several people involved and several attacks.
Considering that just a while ago there were 31 suspects and these included two Germans, one Serb, and one American citizen, it's pretty obvious to me that the issue might have instead been about the fact that there were/are tons of suspects, and not all of them from the countries you'd expect.
I'm also not sure why you think an Egyptian victim is some kind of refutation.
I'm pointing out the dangers of jumping to conclusions, which is what a bunch of people did when they first heard the reports about the Egyptian passport.
If you think the Cologne attacks matter then I'm not at all clear what we are disagreeing on here.
I think the difference here is the nuance of the discussion. We can both agree that the attacks matter while coming from very different places.
To clarify, I think the attacks matter because addressing sexual assault is important. Sexual assault and harassment are never ok. However, it also seems to me like the attacks are now being used as a tool to further a certain agenda. There's a long, long history of "oh no, these Other men are attacking and corrupting our women" being used to argue that these blanket Other group (black men, gay men, Jewish men, etc.) Do Not Belong. That is what it looks like right now, considering that these news are being used as an excuse to be wary of refugees as a whole -- when the issue is actually about rape culture and misogyny, which are things that exist in most cultures I can think of, white men are also capable of, and can affect women who aren't white (including women who are refugees right now).
That was my point a few comments up: a lot of the people who are complaining about this situation are people who are very glad to make excuses for rape culture every other day of the week, which is more than a little suspicious.
We seem to agree that the Left "making a deal with the devil" is an issue, but we clearly have different notions of what it looks like.
I don't want to make waves on sabotabby's journal, so I won't keep replying here when