Hmmmm. It sounds like people you meet obsessed with a "cause" rather than really thinking. I agree about the pigs' organs though. I would say animals should be treated as having an equal right to life, rather than that human welfare is less important. I don't see how it can be ok to kill an animal for medical research, although of course I understand the emotinal desire to save a loved one at the expense of a thousand or so rats! I can't help feeling it would be nice to get rid of a huge proportion of the human race, although ideally by less reproduction rather than slaughter or famine and disease! Overpopulation is definitely a huge huge problem. Because small communities are generally more likely to be self-sufficient and more caring, as well as because of lack of resources and ruining ecosystems. 90% seems unreasonably high though. I'd say ideal to halve it over a few generations, but I'm not an expert! Crap about the "primitive" societies being nicer though. They are full of bigoted superstitious shite. Cities are unethical the way they are now, utterly environmentally unsound, but it would be possible to use technology to make lovely green cities. I think we need nicer civilization, not less. Sewing machines are bloody annoying and fiddly, but not unethical. Written language and agriculture (if done sustainably) are cool.
I think the genocidal bit is a grey area for me - I feel the urge to kill, and wish all the shit people who make this world miserable would drop dead, but alas in principle I would not want mass slaughter. Definitely need to lower population growth though. I don't think there is an answer to people being evil, so don't know what to do. I despair. I am exhausted by all the evil people I have met. I don't think education works as there are just too many evil people. Smaller communities would help. Things that encourage people to be caring and supportive of one another.
Am definitely against medical research on animals though. Hopefully with stem cell stuff it can cease to be an issue one day. I suppose there is no logical back up to my stance on that, as eating animals to survive is clearly natural, so medical research in that sense no different ethically. But I think nature has lots of very bad things in it and just because things happen naturally is no excuse to allow them. Paedophilia and rape are extremely natural, as are genocide and torture, but they are not nice. Maybe ethics are unnatural. Dunno. Studying philosophy doesn't seem to solve these things, just gives one more awareness of the intricacies and difficulties! I think being nice is the most important thing in life, and that people really should do it more.
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Date: 2009-12-02 12:02 pm (UTC)I can't help feeling it would be nice to get rid of a huge proportion of the human race, although ideally by less reproduction rather than slaughter or famine and disease! Overpopulation is definitely a huge huge problem. Because small communities are generally more likely to be self-sufficient and more caring, as well as because of lack of resources and ruining ecosystems. 90% seems unreasonably high though. I'd say ideal to halve it over a few generations, but I'm not an expert!
Crap about the "primitive" societies being nicer though. They are full of bigoted superstitious shite.
Cities are unethical the way they are now, utterly environmentally unsound, but it would be possible to use technology to make lovely green cities.
I think we need nicer civilization, not less.
Sewing machines are bloody annoying and fiddly, but not unethical.
Written language and agriculture (if done sustainably) are cool.
I think the genocidal bit is a grey area for me - I feel the urge to kill, and wish all the shit people who make this world miserable would drop dead, but alas in principle I would not want mass slaughter. Definitely need to lower population growth though. I don't think there is an answer to people being evil, so don't know what to do. I despair. I am exhausted by all the evil people I have met. I don't think education works as there are just too many evil people. Smaller communities would help. Things that encourage people to be caring and supportive of one another.
Am definitely against medical research on animals though. Hopefully with stem cell stuff it can cease to be an issue one day. I suppose there is no logical back up to my stance on that, as eating animals to survive is clearly natural, so medical research in that sense no different ethically. But I think nature has lots of very bad things in it and just because things happen naturally is no excuse to allow them. Paedophilia and rape are extremely natural, as are genocide and torture, but they are not nice.
Maybe ethics are unnatural. Dunno. Studying philosophy doesn't seem to solve these things, just gives one more awareness of the intricacies and difficulties! I think being nice is the most important thing in life, and that people really should do it more.