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By popular request, I am watching the entire series of Babylon 5 (assuming that it doesn’t start to suck, but it’s been highly recommended by people whose taste I trust, so I’m guessing that I’ll like it) and blogging as much as I can bother with before we all get bored with these posts and you guys stop commenting.

A few things off the top:

1) Yes, I am a 32-year-old übernerd who has only ever seen one episode of Babylon 5. I’m not exactly sure why this happened—it certainly wasn’t on purpose. Back when I got free cable, I saw a random episode, and it involved people with funny hair and capes standing around and talking. The funny hair and capes did not dissuade me (I’ve always been into that kind of thing) but the fact that I didn’t understand what they were talking about put me off. I asked some people about it and they said that you had to watch the episodes in order, and since this was before you could just torrent everything and DVD box sets were expensive, I never bothered.

You’d think I’d still have seen it, though! I mean, I was really into DS9 and they aired at roughly the same time.

2) I know virtually nothing about the show beyond that it is supposedly like DS9 but better, it was one of the first shows to have a continuous story arc, and there are lesbians at some point. I think one is named Ivanova.

3) It is probably too much to ask that no one post spoilers in the comments. I’m not Mark and the show is approximately 200 years old. I will endeavour to stay as unspoiled as possible but I read TVTropes all the time and I’m not very good at suspense. But it’s probably funnier the less I know, so keep that in mind.

4) I tend to watch telly when I’m feeling braindead, frequently under the influence of sleeping pills, so this is going to be more of a ramble and less of a critical analysis. Probably.



The first three episodes are Midnight on the Firing Line, Soul Hunter, and Born to the Purple. I am already prepared to cut the first season a lot of slack because it’s the first season. Still, they were all interesting enough that I kept watching even though I was tired. I’m only going to talk about the first one for now; the next two struck me as mostly filler/character development.

Midnight starts off with a bang. Literally. There are guys with funny hair and they get blown up. Later we find out that the funny-haired guys are Centaurians. From Alpha Centauri?

I should probably get my prejudice against rubber-forehead aliens out of the way right at the beginning. I have a prejudice against rubber-forehead aliens. I’m completely able to overcome it with the aid of compelling writing, but I’d much prefer aliens that look like the ones in Farscape, or at least a wanky explanation involving parallel evolution or common ancestors. Instead, we get a handwave that the Centaurians are actually not related to humans but like to claim that so that humans will take their side on things. Okay, show. I can accept that.

So anyway, after the Centaurians get blown up, we cut to the titular Babylon 5 and meet some main characters. There’s Susan Ivanova, who is new to the station and looks a bit like Jadzia Dax, so I like her right off the bat. Then there’s Commander Jeffrey Sinclair, who is apparently hanging out in the zócalo. Which is an actual zócalo? Apparently yes. I don’t get much of anything from Sinclair other than he’s harried.

Then we meet Garibaldi, who is in charge of security or something. I admit that in these first few episodes, I had a hard time telling Garibaldi and Sinclair apart, despite the fact that they don’t look much like each other. Anyway, Garibaldi is funnier. Then there are two Centauri main characters, Londo, who’s an ambassador with a ridiculous Russian accent, and Vir, who I guess is his dimwitted sidekick but gets billed first so maybe he’s more important later. I seriously have an easier time telling them apart even though they have the same silly hair.

Oh, did I mention that the costumes on this show are really good? All of the non-human characters wear capes. The human characters all wear military uniforms. It is rad. I am so over skintight catsuits in my sci-fi.

I hate the intro thing. I hope they get rid of it, otherwise I’m skipping over it.

Then everyone is freaking out over the attack on the Centauri. This is confusing. Should I have watched the movie first? There are a bunch more characters:

G’Kar: The ambassador for the Narn, who apparently hate the Centauri and vice versa. He has the best outfit so far and looks like a giant lizard. That is more the type of alien that I like but still not all the way there.

Delenn: The ambassador from Minbari. The Minbari used to be at war with Earth but apparently aren’t anymore. She also has a rubber forehead but is hotter than the male rubber-forehead aliens.

Talia: Who is a telepath, and accordingly, has to go around telling everyone that she is a telepath. I guess so that they don’t find out in the wrong way. I could think of about a million ways to find out that someone is a telepath, and none of them are very good, so I understand why she goes around telling people instead of letting them find out for themselves. In other news, she looks like an Ayn Rand heroine and is stalking Ivanova, who is having none of it. I am guessing that they end up as a couple.

Other things that are going on: There’s an election for President of Earth, but apparently there are still countries. I am curious to find out how this works. There are also raiders attacking transport ships in a B-plot that I’m sure will be much less confusing once I figure out what everyone’s ships look like.

Anyway, the Centauri see a Narn ship in a lol1980s video (!!!) of the attack on their colony. So Londo gets pissed off at G’Kar, and there’s an exchange that to me suggests that the Centauri colonized Narn, the Narn kicked them out and are now planning revenge. Londo tells Sinclair that he has wet dreams about killing G’kar, but not to worry because it happens about 20 years from now.

Then there is a Vorlon ambassador. That is more like it. The Vorlon looks super-cool. There is a mecha-type thing, only it doesn’t move, and the alien’s voice comes from somewhere behind a screen with a lot of smoke. The thing is weird and inscrutable and I like it a lot.

Some diplomacy and research happens. I don’t mean to give it short shrift, because it’s pretty interesting, but I have a feeling that this show is mostly about diplomacy so I could be going on a long time.

Garibaldi goes around hitting on everyone, asking various women if they’d like to come back to his quarters and see his “second-favourite thing in the universe.” I’m sure it’s going to be something incredibly innocent. If it’s a gigantic purple vibrator I’ll be impressed at the show’s moxie, though.

Meanwhile, I was right! The Centauri totally occupied Narn and were strip-mining it. This makes me like the Narn more than the Centauri for reasons unrelated to their appearances. Sinclair doesn’t agree with me, though, even though the Narn supported the humans in their war with the Minbari. Apparently the Narn are just opportunistic arms dealers.

The raiders are raiding everything in sight. Garibaldi figures out that the company that sells transport ships jumpgate privileges (until someone tells me otherwise, I’m going to assume that a jumpgate is like a wormhole but you need to pay to get through) is selling this information to the raiders. The only thing left to raid is a refugee transport ship. Did I mention that the raiders are killing everyone in addition to raiding them? Dun-dun-duuuuuunn.

What follows is a neat bit of politics. A council is called to determine whether the various governments should impose sanctions on the Narn for attacking the Centaurian colony or attack them or what. The Centauri government won’t do anything because it’s too far away and by the time they send doodz, everyone in their base will be killed. Earth’s government won’t do anything about the attack because they’re on the eve of an election, and humans don’t fancy the idea of getting into another war. Sinclair is pro-intervention, but the senator he’s talking to orders him to abstain. So he fucks off to go after the raiders and leaves Ivanova in charge, sans abstention orders.

I might as well also admit to a prejudice against having the guy in charge also go on away missions. Yes, I know, that’s how Star Trek did it. But I’ve still found it irksome ever since Orson Scott Card (unfortunately) pointed out how an actual military institution wouldn’t do it that way.

But even with the switch-up, the council doesn’t go as planned because G’Kar points out that the colony that was attacked used to belong to Narn and they were just taking it back. In case that wasn’t a heavy-handed enough metaphor, Delenn says something about a cycle of hatred. G’Kar then pulls up another hilarious video feed where Londo’s nephew, who lives on the colony in question, says that no, they asked nicely for the Narn to blow stuff up. Everyone on the council goes along with this except Londo, who’s like, “Seriously? Did you notice that this is a medium-close up shot so that you can’t see the gun that is obviously pointed at him, morons?”

Sinclair goes after the raiders and there are sweet 80s special effects that still look better than today’s CGI bollocks.

Then Londo decides that if diplomacy isn’t going to work, assassination is his next best bet. He’s thwarted by Talia because, um, telepath. It will be interesting to see how they deal with telepathy on this show. I thought that maybe she couldn’t read minds unless she was physically touching someone (she bumps into him) but later she says that she picked up everyone’s thoughts until trained not to.

But Londo gets his revenge after all, kind of, because Sinclair figures out that the raiders were being aided by Narns. So he tells them to GTFO the colony unless they want all the trouble.

Then Ivanova and Talia finally hang out, and it’s revealed that Ivanova has a problem with telepaths because her mother was one. And committed suicide. We also find out that Garibaldi’s second favourite thing in the universe is Warner Bros. cartoons. The lucky woman who finds this out is Delenn.

Hah, I like this show! It’s a little shaky, and the acting is definitely hammy as anything, but it’s cool that they’ve thrown so much politics at the viewer in the first episode. This bodes well for my favourite things, intrigue and shifty allegiances.

The next two episodes are also pretty cool. Soul Hunter is exactly what it sounds like: An alien hunts souls. And puts them in spheres and talks to them in an extremely creepy way. He’s supposed to wait for the person to actually die, but apparently many aliens, particularly the Minbari, kind of object to having their souls trapped in spheres, and so he keeps losing souls. So he stops waiting for death and causes it instead. Delenn is basically a screaming helpless victim, which is annoying.

Born to the Purple involves Londo and his really sad love life. He falls for a stripper, who is secretly a slave employed to steal his diplomatic secrets. The B-plot is about Ivanova’s dying father and is more interesting than the A-plot.

Date: 2011-12-21 01:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ironed_orchid
I watched most of season one, but with bad company who had seen the whole thing, and I wasn't that impressed, but lots of people whose opinions I respect have good things to say about it, and if you are doing this, I might try to watch it again.

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Date: 2011-12-21 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] springheel-jack.livejournal.com
I remember at the time the opinion that "this is the best science fiction television series ever filmed" was hegemonic, and now, it's all, "babylon what?"
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Date: 2011-12-21 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beam-oflight.livejournal.com
eeee This was ridic awesome, it made me giggle so much :D

I'm afraid the intro is there to stay but they change it a bit every season.

(I need to reupload my B5 icons!)

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Date: 2011-12-21 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seaya.livejournal.com
Do not forget about the films!!! Watch them in the proper place in the chronology! Especially "In the Beginning"

(Which I actually saw before watching the series. It blew me away. When the series was first on I was like "what is this cgi garbage and melodrama?" However, when it was on SciFi in reruns in the 00s, I saw "In the Beginning" and it made me give the show a chance. Just, FYI.)

Gratuitous Ivanova Post.

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Date: 2011-12-21 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radiumhead.livejournal.com
I refuse to watch it. Ill always think of it as the k-mart version of ds9.

Ds9=transformers
Babylon 5=go-bots

Date: 2011-12-21 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seaya.livejournal.com
I thought that at first, but ignoring the awful CGI, it really is good. And also it's a completely different show. I mean some folks claim DS9 actually stole their idea from B5, but at this point...they are very different.

B5 has some of my favorite...I don't know what to call them...not tropes (though some are)...scenarios? I can't really elaborate w/o spoilering.

Date: 2011-12-21 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caprinus.livejournal.com
No no no, ds9 is the k-mart!

I love ds9, don't get me wrong, but the last two seasons especially seemed like desperate Bab-5 calques.

Date: 2011-12-21 02:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] curgoth
When Zil and I did a Bab5 power session a few years ago, I realised that it is one of those shows with a lot of cheese and throw-away episodes. And it is one of those shows where the good bits are so wonderful that the cheese just sort of fades out of memory.

Date: 2011-12-21 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seaya.livejournal.com
Separate of my earlier squeeeee!post about you watching this. Your predictions are very awesome and funny. Do not spoiler yourself, whatever you do, because you will definitely deprive yourself and us of some entertainment value. :-D

<3

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Date: 2011-12-21 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rohmie.livejournal.com
Not a spoiler - unless seeing jokes early count:

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Date: 2011-12-21 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rohmie.livejournal.com
It’s a little shaky, and the acting is definitely hammy as anything, but it’s cool that they’ve thrown so much politics at the viewer in the first episode. This bodes well for my favourite things, intrigue and shifty allegiances.

Yup and yup. You will love this.

And as a side note, I love how they take zero gravity seriously and the space station actually rotates. If there is a window in the room, you seen the star field roll by - along with the planet they are orbiting. And the star furies have to be the most logical star fighters in sci-fi history. Maximum cockpit visibility and g-forces make piloting like lying in bed.

Date: 2011-12-21 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joxn.livejournal.com
If you liked these three, you're going to love the show. It gets progressively better through the middle of season 4.

Date: 2011-12-21 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tmcm.livejournal.com
I loved that show. The acting is mostly bad (some exceptions). Totally worth it.

Date: 2011-12-21 03:35 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bcholmes.livejournal.com
You should probably find "The Gathering" (the pilot) -- it sets a lot of the stage, and it has one key moment that becomes important to the first season.

Date: 2011-12-21 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com
The CGI was a big deal at the time, not because it was great, but because it was all CGI (no models) and done on "an Amiga Toaster" (for definitions of "an" that include "dozens".)

Date: 2011-12-21 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com
It gets better from here, until, yeah, about the middle of the 4th season for reasons of having to shove 2 years of story into a year of episodes and then getting uncancelled for the fifth, which really isn't worth it.

Date: 2011-12-21 07:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] troubleinchina.livejournal.com
What sort of fresh hell is this new comment box? Aaaaa! I don't like change! (Life, so hard.)

Anyway, I have seen the second season and part of the third season of Bab5, as Don was trying desperately to get me to fall in love with it before I watched the bad acting of Season 1. I actually stopped because it was getting really really good and I didn't have time to enjoy it. I should go back to it.

Date: 2011-12-21 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caprinus.livejournal.com
kayt and I have developed a semi-tradition of buying a boxed-set of a show a year and watching it together -- so far it's been Buffy, Angel, Xena, and, um, Sabre-Rider and the Star-Sheriffs (o_O) -- I think I'm gonna have to go for Bab-5 in 2012! I watched it intermittently when it first aired, missing seasons 1 and 5 completely due to life, and I liked it for its complex plot lines and ambiguities and genuine *whoa, didn't see that coming* moments. It has many many flaws, but I am mostly generously attributing them to ambition outstripping budgets, network meddling, and cast availability.

The AMIGA-based special effects team was revolutionary for its time.

Looking forward to your write-ups a lot!

Date: 2011-12-22 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] courtly.livejournal.com
One of my favorite Sci Fi series. But the effects got dated awfully fast. That might be a big distraction.

Then again, I know you watched Rambo (willingly) so... Who knows? :)

Date: 2011-12-25 04:05 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bcholmes.livejournal.com
and Vir, who I guess is his dimwitted sidekick but gets billed first so maybe he’s more important later.

Often actors' agents negotiate the actors' billing location in the credits sequences of TV shows -- it's a real cutthroat part of TV contract negotiations, apparently. Obviously, early billing is preferred, but if an actor can't snag early billing, the next best thing is to be billed last. Both Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas vie for final billing throughout the show's life. Some years, Jurasik is billed last, and some years Katsulas is billed last.

Date: 2012-01-16 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abostick59.livejournal.com
You know how Security Chief Garibaldi got his name? It's because he's the leader of the Red Shirts. <badum-ching!>

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