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So there was a plot to bomb the B.C. legislature on Canada Day, apparently. Two white fuck-ups, who may or may not have converted to Islam, planned to interrupt the festivities in Victoria with pressure cooker bombs. They were stopped, which is obviously a good thing.

The RCMP is claiming that they were "inspired by Al Qaeda," which is a problematic claim to make for a number of reasons. I imagine that actual Al Qaeda would probably not want to have much to do with druggie homeless punks, but maybe they'll take anyone these days. But that's not what's bothering me. I'd rather talk about paintball and punk music, because that was the angle that woke me up this morning.

When a brown person commits an act of terror, there is seldom any attempt to question his motivations. (I feel like I've typed this sentence many, many times.) We can say "religious extremism"—or "American imperialism," if one is a certain type of leftist—and leave it at that. When a white person commits an act of terror, or tries to, there's a lot of discussion of motives, because white people have agency and brown people apparently don't. So while little is known about why John Nuttall and Amanda Korody allegedly tried to blow people up, that's merely an opportunity to speculate about all of the sordid details of their lives.

(I suspect there's actually not much in the way of motivation here. Walkom's article, the second link, is pretty sensible in that regard.)

Absent a clear manifesto (whatever happened to manifestos? I deplore the decline of literacy amongst violent extremists), the media has been left to its own devices, to report random details of the couple's lives, sans context and with a prurient overtone that suggests that anyone who engages in such activities is a potential terrorist. To wit, from the same article:

Nuttall’s tastes were for heavy metal. He posted four poor-quality recordings on a music website along with a picture of himself posing with four guitars. The undated songs include titles such as “The End of the World,” and “In League With Satan,” with the lyrics: “We are possessed by all that is evil, The death of your god we demand, We spit at the virgin you worship, And sit at Lord Satan’s Left Hand.”

and
In online postings, Nuttall identified himself as belonging to a band called No World Order, a Muslim punk band that was created in Victoria but moved to the Surrey, B.C., area in mid-August, 2011.

And then there's the paintball thing:

In an online paintball forum, Nuttall appeared to be quite active last year playing paintball on weekends. Nuttall posted comments in the forum using the name Mujahid, while Korody used the name PirateNinjaCat.


I guess these details might be interesting to some, but they're not really relevant, are they? As someone who lived through Tipper Gore's attacks on the music industry and the panic around D&D, I get my back up at the implication that playing paintball and liking heavy metal (or is it punk? do we know the difference anymore?) somehow leads to joining Al Qaeda or blowing up Canada Day revelers. It's impossible for me to read these sorts of details and wonder what the authorities would dig up on me under the wrong circumstances. Online searches about weapons and explosives (for writing purposes, naturally)? An iTunes library full of music with violent lyrics? Jokey posts about putting various enemies up against the wall come the revolution? A bookshelf full of political tomes, not all of which I actually agree with? A weekend spent LARPing? Those stories, lost to the pre-internet era, written when I was 12 about blowing up the school/Ontario parliament/whatever? It wouldn't take any effort to make me look like a terrorist in a newspaper article. "[Realname], who posted to internet forums using the name Sabotabby, used a default icon that read 'now serving Molotov cocktails' and ran around in the woods wearing cargo pants" and so on.

Me, or anyone. What frightens me about data mining is the sheer amount of available information that can be cherry-picked and taken out of context, and the ability to use said information to create fear where fear is misplaced. A generation ago, psychotic meth addicts might have drawn their boneheaded, and fortunately doomed to failure, terror plot from a BBS version of the "Anarchist Cookbook," but that's not to say that they drew their ideological inspiration from Emma Goldman. And, in a mad stampede to avert our worst fears from being realized, to what degree will various authorities attempt to extrapolate from said imaginary connections and predict who is likely to be a threat? Because you all know I'm not going to blow anything up, but neither was Byron Sonne, and neither the RCMP nor CSIS tend to deal much in nuance.

Everyone's committed thought crimes. Everyone's committed illegal acts. Everyone, in retrospect, will look like a problem waiting to happen.

Do I think that these guys did what they're accused of? Oh, almost certainly. But I'm not comfortable with the analysis of why they might have done so, not one bit.

Tending on Twitter

Date: 2013-07-04 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ed-rex.livejournal.com
Everyone's committed thought crimes.

Yup. What more can a police state ask for, than that everyone is guilty of something and that the evidence is on file when they need it?

Date: 2013-07-04 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agatharuncible.livejournal.com
I feel the same way about data mining. I mean, there's so much about my Internet usage that could look terrifying out of context. I'm a bit paranoid about my online privacy but I think that for most people, there's only so much you can do to protect yourself. Even when it comes to simply finding things, Google is the easiest search engine to use and they totally know what you've been looking for.

Then again, I'm not a white person, so if I did something violent people wouldn't go digging for explanations, even though I'm not very religious and I'm not very politically active.

Date: 2013-07-04 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agatharuncible.livejournal.com
I'm the same way with TOS, but sometimes I get weirdly, obsessively paranoid. Then I remember that it's pointless. Then I freak out a bit more.

I know, it's such a shame. :( The least they could do would be to try to blame it on how angry I get over things like sexism or racism, but I don't think the media is that creative. Clearly, I don't have the potential to have a serious career as a violent criminal.

Date: 2013-07-04 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agatharuncible.livejournal.com
I suspect you're right. It's not blowing things up over religion so everyone would just assume a white person had done it. Unless the detective happens to be a 19th century gentleman who is really into orientalism.

I'm only in on this if I can wear a monocle, though.

(Damn, now I kind of want to write a short story based on this idea.)

Date: 2013-07-04 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agatharuncible.livejournal.com
Btw, I'm reading that article now and that led me to google the Montreal École Polytechnique Massacre because I had never heard of it, and I'm speechless. It's terrifying omg.

Date: 2013-07-04 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agatharuncible.livejournal.com
Thanks for explaining all this! I genuinely didn't know about any of it.

or indigenous sex workers who go missing in huge numbers every year.

This sounds terrible. I used to spend a lot of time in websites about missing persons cases but I never heard anything about this. I would ask you for links but I don't want to lose even more faith in humankind.

Date: 2013-07-05 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whatifoundthere.livejournal.com
We commemorate the shootings every year because it's easier than remembering women who died at the hands of their partners, or indigenous sex workers who go missing in huge numbers every year.

Yeah, and to dovetail with the original post's point about hunting for "motivation", there's been 25 years of hand-wringing about how the poor guy was just so CONFUSED by women and SAD because women are moving up in the world, it was just SO HARD TO BE MARC LEPINE, I mean what he did was awful I guess but DON'T YOU FEEL SORRY FOR HIM THOUGH, and unlike him, we wise smart non-crazy people are totally aware that feminism has done its work and everybody is fine and that ladies can get jobs if they want to, good thing we're not hurting women like THAT guy.

I agree with you that in a weird way it actually kind of moved the conversation about gender backward. :/

Date: 2013-07-04 09:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lienne.livejournal.com
I am so pleased about the title of this post

I am not very pleased that it had to be made in the first place

but I'll take what I can get, I guess

Date: 2013-07-04 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackspryte.livejournal.com
IMO this is a war/game tactic plain and simple. Divide and conquer the lefties. These social networks are rife with anti-Harper and anti-government sentiments and they contain oodles of information that big brother/government/corporate goons will use to take people down when they get too unruly. Early days of police state where everyone from environmentalist to punk trans folks to LARPer becomes an enemy of everyone else and they turn us against one another. Canuckistan indeed!

Date: 2013-07-04 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackspryte.livejournal.com
I no longer believe I need to have done anything, they'll just make anything they want to stick. Welcome to how we live now. I want my freedom back.

Date: 2013-07-04 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fengi.livejournal.com
I listen to the CBC hourly newsbreak and morning world news podcasts every day and I was surprised by the paintball thing.

It also amazes me that *right before* the NSA scandal was the IRS scandal. No matter if you think it was lazy assumptions and unacknowledged bias or politically driven, it was all about unfair/incorrect use of search terms. If that abuse was worth a freak out, why be so blase about a far vaster batch of data being processed by equally flawed people? I guess it's the same assumption of magical discernment that gun nuts have.

Date: 2013-07-05 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elsewhereangel.livejournal.com
could I re-post this? if so, would you like to be redacted or referenced? i've been stumbling around trying to say this properly since snowden and keep getting tangled in my own words.

Date: 2013-07-06 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elsewhereangel.livejournal.com
You mean, Ms. S.B. O'Tabbeh?

Date: 2013-07-05 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] springheel-jack.livejournal.com
The threshhold for thought crime is awfully low. I like paintball! I have guitar!

Date: 2013-07-05 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] springheel-jack.livejournal.com
oh sorry...don't...was joking

Date: 2013-07-05 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whatifoundthere.livejournal.com
TOO LATE YOU SAID IT YOU'RE ON RECORD

Date: 2013-07-06 11:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ironed_orchid
WIN

Date: 2013-07-05 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ltmurnau.livejournal.com
I've been reading what I could find on this, up to the point where I confirmed my conclusions. It is a matter of local interest, after all.
N*ttall was a loser with the mind of a sixteen-year-old (husband of an acquaintance had beers with him sometimes and N*ttall would say things like, "Wouldn't it be cool if someone's eye got pulled out, Huh?") and a history of violence and drugs (clonked a guy on the head with a rock to get his briefcase, when enforcing for his dealer beat a guy so hard he lost a kidney, uttering threats, weapons possession etc.).
Aimless and headed for an early death, until he found Big Religion and started to use that for a personality. This happens a lot to incercerated people, who get right with Jesus, Mohammed, or Odin depending on which corner of the exercise yard they hang out. (I don't hear of prison conversions to Judaism, though I am sure they happen - but the general vibe I get is "hey, what we have is really cool, but we don't really want you as a convert unless you're willing to study and work hard at it".) His going for an Islamic conversion seems to fit with his continuing bad-boy image (vide the theatrical pronouncements about jihad) and his new sobriety (both of them were on methadone, but he seemed to be getting straight-edgy about it as reformed addicts often do).
Korodny is even less of a cipher than he because she seems to have been even more aimless and vacant - privileged background but troubles regardless, wanted to be a singer and in a band, wanted to be a fashion model, wanted to convert to Islam... and got attached to a bad-boy musician.
Both of them appear to have been chickenheaded enough that they would never amount to more than some loose talk, until CSIS picked up on them (might have been Nuttall jabbering online or in a public place, one story is that they were thrown out of a mosque so perhaps the tip came from the islamic community after he mouthed off or went to see the imam all breathless about how he wanted to be a jihadi) and them handed them over to the RCMP, who proceeded to do exactly what the FBI has done hundreds of times in the last 12 years - lead mentally ill people down the garden path until they are ready to push the button, then arrest them. It's doubtful these two had the brain cells to put the bombs together, even with the AQ online magazine showing them how, without blowing themselves up (that's what happened to the Weathermen, remember) - so perhaps it was a good thing the RCMP supplied them with wax C4 lookalike, or black powder that wasn't, or a useless circuit board from a broken clock, so they were never a threat to even themselves.
Long story short, it was about time Canada had some "home-grown" white jihadis, just to keep people on their guard, and these two idiots got to be among the first to be manufactured (as opposed to the oddballs who left suburban Ontario and ended up at a gas plant in Algeria, on their own initiative) and produced for the MSM to display - smelly litter box, paintball and all.

But your point is to-the-point. Who hasn't played the what-will-the-police-haul-out-of-my-room-to-make-me-look-bad game? I look at the shelf-feet of military manuals, books on guerrilla warfare and revolution, and cupboards full of wargames at my end of the family room, and Lianne's collection of serial killer, cannibal and torture film DVDs at the other end....
- but-but we study these things, academically!
- Never mind, you have copies of the "Mercenary's Manual" and "Special Forces handbook", and that's enough for us...
It wasn't so long ago, barely a hundred years, that anarchism or "Nihilism" was thought to be a genuine mental illness, and that such opinions were curable, by the treatment methods of the day.
In the end, yes, anyone who thinks at all is sooner or later a thought-criminal, by someone's line of reasoning. And if they want you, they will come and get you, somehow.

Date: 2013-07-05 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ltmurnau.livejournal.com
Yours is probably far better organized than mine!

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