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[sabotabby]

Ewww. I found this ad on a conservative blog. How very, very crass.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds this funny. I guess I shouldn't, though. (And I should add that it's gallows-humour funny, not ha-ha funny. If this is all true, she's screwed over a lot of people. But how could you not be suspicious of someone who writes "How empowering!" about a demo?)

Here's where I was last night. More photos. I showed up to be supportive and left before any hardcore praying happened.

Via anarchists: Noam Chomsky, having failed to discuss the nefarious scheme to put fluoride in our water supply, is obviously in pay of the Judeo-Bolshevik One World Government. Oh teh nooes!

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[violachic.livejournal.com]

Thanks for going.

[sabotabby]

"Thanks for going" is pretty much my sentiment regarding the CPT. ;)

[violachic.livejournal.com]

Heh....

:-)


Personally speaking- my pleasure

[jhfurnish.livejournal.com]

Remember that one person in the replies to the article points out that the FBI has 'exposed' people as informants who were not informants in order to spark infighting.

It's happened many times in the IWW, and at least once in the Philly IWW: to me. Bekken and his buddies did it to me. I can't talk to Philly Wobs because of Bekken, because he has them thinking I was a fed. I did accuse Bekken of being a fed, but I was the latest in hundreds to say that. The man acts like an infiltrator. He was constantly starting infights so I criticized him and started asking questions of other Wobs around the country. This came back at me later. I think he snitch-jacketed me.

One of my problems is probably that I look so white-bread and I'm a teacher, and only came relatively late in life to the Left. This Anna informer very much looks the part. I'm sure she's a paid informer however, not a cop herself. She doesn't have the body I'm used to seeing on FBI agents, who have to be rather physical.

[sabotabby]

Fair enough. I'm convinced one fellow in the Toronto circle is a cop. I'm not the only one who thinks this. But since I have no proof, there's not much I can do.

I doubt this Anna person (if the accusations are true) is an actual cop. At least up here, the cops have a hard time finding convincing undercover agents. They tend to have the wrong physical type as well. We can spot them pretty quickly, unless they've got one set of really obvious infiltrators to throw us off the scent and make us feel clever, and another set that's really good. Ah, paranoia....

[violachic.livejournal.com]

I've heard that if you ask a cop whether or not he/she's a cop, they're legally supposed to admit they are. I don't know if this is true or not. So if you walk up to someone and make a reference in a joking way, and ask them if they're a cop...

eh, anyway..... just the first thought that jumped into my mind when I saw this.

[sabotabby]

I doubt it holds for paid informers, though. Or even for cops -- if you were infiltrating the mafia, for example, they'd ask you whether you were a cop right off the bat.

[constintina.livejournal.com]

it's not true that cops have to honestly ID themselves if you ask...i'd find something on, like, snopes or whatever but i lack motivation...

I was gonna say tho, if she is a cop, i'll be damned! I've never seen an undercover look that authentic! "anna" tot. looks like a medic!

tho she sure likes that scarf...

[sabotabby]

According to some of the comments, she's 20, which means that she'd have started working for the cops when she was 18. So -- likely not a cop, just a snitch.

The scarf is hideous. I'm going to have to make another one of those Protest Dos and Don'ts posts again just to mock it.

[jaymoh.livejournal.com]

Prostitutes too, or at least the ones on TV...

The undercover johns never seem to have to be honest. Again, basing this entirely on cop shows. Heh.

[smhwpf.livejournal.com]

Heh. Probably would find it funnier if it wasn't for our experience at CAAT - our (now ex-) National Campaigns Co-ordinator Martin Hogbin was exposed as a spy - and boy had he had fun playing with our heads - but such was the internal politics of the movement - that he'd done quite a bit to exacerbate - that some other related campaigns still believe in him, and believe he was the victim of a conspiracy, in spite of the overwhelming evidence against him. One of the most solid and hardcore activists I know has the bastard as Godfather to her child.

Come to think of it, there's quite a funny side to all that too, from a certain twisted point of view. ;)

[sabotabby]

Ouch. That's actually pretty nasty.

My step-dad is convinced that half of the radicals he knew in the 60s were FBI. You could tell, because they were always holding workshops on bomb-making.

[smhwpf.livejournal.com]

My former PhD Supervisor (former because of completion of PhD not because he turned out to be a spy) has a theory that most left-wing groups are actually run by MI5 agents. That they take on all the onerous responsibilities such as being Treasurer and Secretary and so forth when no-one else wants to, because otherwise they lose a fairly cushy assignment.

It was pretty nasty - Martin really groomed some of the more activisty types in CAAT, and played up divisions between them and other sections of CAAT, often saying different things to different people, with the result that when it all broke, they were inclined to believe him, so some of them left CAAT and concentrated on more direct-activist type organisations, that he's still involved in. There was one really stupid decision by Steering Committee to scale back relations with this anti-arms fair direct-activist umbrella group, that was pretty much the final straw for some of the CAAT activists type, and that Martin himself bemoaned vociferously - turned out he was the one who suggested in to the committee in the first place! He made himself almost like a father to one former staff-member, who had been one of most effective and level-headed guys around, but who when Martin was accused of all this was really messed up by it, didn't believe it of course, and pretty much made an ass of himself in the way he behaved. He wants nothing more to do with CAAT of course.

I didn't get done over nearly so bad, but he played with my head lots. I generally took the side of things that he was pretending to be on in the various disagreements, and there were several occasions where he set me up for a fall, nudging me in certain directions and then backing out of the battle at the critical moment. And I put it down to weakness and forgave him each time. But when the truth started to come out - he made a total schoolboy error by leaving all his emails to the right-wing consultancy that was employing him on the commonly-viewable email system - I realised, "actually that explains a lot".

This is one person I have quite a bit of difficulty forgiving. I pretty much don't give a shit about whatever info he passed on, I doubt it actually did the arms companies a lot of good. It's the head-fucking.

[sabotabby]

Uh oh. I'm secretary of the Toronto Wobs, mostly because no one else wanted to do it.

I'm not sure what infiltrators hope to accomplish sometimes, as they seem to create the very crimes they're trying to uncover. Oh, wait.

[lovableatheist.livejournal.com]

I'm secretary/treasurer of the Ottawa wobs. It's not that hard of a job, but it's still something a cop would really have to be stupid for doing. I can see where being treasurere might fuck up a branhc, but as long as you can't sign cheques, then the worst thing an infiltrator could do as a secretary is not send in reports.

(of course I know there's plenty a cop could do in that position, I'm just saying.)

[sabotabby]

I dunno. GHQ gets pretty testy if you fuck up reports.

[springheel-jack.livejournal.com]

Invest in the Dinar!

It's funny, because they're all vultures who're probably convincing themselves that it's for the good of the Iraqis to put a dribble of cash into propping up the Dinar. But they'll lose their shirts anyway. I mean, the anchor of the ABC News just got blown almost to bits in Iraq. Things are great there.

[sabotabby]

They likely watch FOX and get forwards titled "THE PHOTOS FROM IRAQ THAT THE LIBERAL MEDIA DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE," full of smiling soldiers giving candy to wee Iraqi children. So it seems like a wise investment. Ooops.

Wow...you're a glutton for punishment

[zingerella.livejournal.com]

What is it about the Right that makes them such appallingly bad writers? That Chomsky article made my eyeballs itch.

Re: Wow...you're a glutton for punishment

[sabotabby]

Well, education is a vast left-wing conspiracy designed to turn everyone into brainwashed Stalinists, so they feel obligated to avoid it at all costs.

I couldn't read the entire thing. I just skimmed, got to the section on fluoride, and almost broke something laughing.

Re: Wow...you're a glutton for punishment

[earthlingmike.livejournal.com]

It's hard to be stupid if you're a good writer.

[burkesworks.livejournal.com]

Afraid Rense is just another of those standard-brand Jew-haters that pollute the airwaves over in the USA, only with added UFOs a la Art Bell. File next to the likes of Kevin Alfred Strom, "Pastor" Pete Peters and Bo Gritz, preferably down the deepest hole you can find.

[sabotabby]

I know. But this is significantly more amusing than his standard fare, since it involves listing every crackpot conspiracy theory short of UFOs and then attacking Chomsky for never talking about them.

[moonwrangler.livejournal.com]

Jeff Rense's site has lots of links to Nationalist and Euro-American Rights groups..and so does Alex Jones site.

[sabotabby]

Naturally, as he's a flaming anti-Semite. Who's Alex Jones, by the way? I keep hearing about him.

[moonwrangler.livejournal.com]

Alex Jones is our homegrown whackjob..he believes in Masonic conspiracies and all this other weird shit..http://www.infowars.com If you look at the links on his site, they are all to anti-U.N., anti-immigration, militias or survivalist groups, some "Nationalist Party" and other really nasty shit.

[sabotabby]

Awesome. I want to be part of a Masonic conspiracy, but they won't let me in, since I'm already part of the Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy.

[jaymoh.livejournal.com]

I will finish reading the Chomsky article at lunch. So far, 3 eye rolls. I'll try to get through it. Hahah @ MK Ultra and "left gatekeeper".

[sabotabby]

The entire thing is one big eyeroll, and I don't even like Chomksy. Then again, the article has very little to do with Chomsky, besides being about things he's not said.

[jaymoh.livejournal.com]

Ok, maybe I'll get to it later... I spent my lunch break listening to my coworkers masturbate about Hillary Clinton's visit to San Francisco. Ugh.

[earthlingmike.livejournal.com]

You can keep her.

[incendiarymind.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's that crass to play the Iraq currency markets. After all, if you want to believe all is fine and peachy let them lose their money.

[sabotabby]

It'll be hilarious to watch these investors get a bit of their own back, but it's still crass on their part.

[pretzelsalt.livejournal.com]

rense?

(pause). . . .HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Did Noam also arrive on a chem trail cloud from the planet Robert Anton Wilson?