A different take on Pinochet
Dec. 11th, 2006 09:04 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
sabotabbyWith all the coverage of Pinochet's death, it's good that Free Republic exists to provide some moral clarity about the passing of the good General. The Freepers may not know that much about Chile (that's some kind of ethnicky food, innit?), but they've certainly got spunk when it comes to sticking it to the commies. Let's see how they're reacting to the death of a dictator:
Actual Freeper CommentsTM in bold. Stories and photos of Pinochet's victims from Memoriaviva.com.
"It's not appropriate to speak in tongues unless you have an interpreter." – conservatism_IS_compassion (In response to a Spanish post)
"Rest in peace. For all his faults, he was one of history's best warriors against communism." - GunRunner
Reinalda del Carmen Pereira Plaza, a medical laboratory technologist and a trade union leader, was violently abducted in Santiago on 15 December 1976 by two armed men who forced her into a car. She was nearly six months pregnant at the time.
"Yes, he apparently killed 3000 people as he stopped socialism. But had the Socialists not been stopped, I'm reasonably sure that Chile would have seen more bloodshed, and might, even today, be a thorn in our side.
Pinochet was no saint. But I think history will be kind to him." – ClearCase_guy
A pencil was reportedly thrust into Claudio Thauby's navel and pushed up towards his ribs. One witness testified to having seen him being badly beaten the night of his arrival at the Villa Grimaldi particularly around the ears. This appeared to have caused balancing difficulties and resulted in him needing two people to hold him up. Another detainee related hearing that Claudio Thauby had died under torture.
"my ex is from Chile and she liked Pinochet because the socialists were taking property and her family farm was to be seized as well. Pinochet rose to power and the family farm was saved." – teacherwoes
Modesto Reinante Raipan, 18, and his brothers Alberto, and Ernesto, was arrested among 16 people arrested in the Liquiñe sector at the Panguipulli Forest and Timber Complex on October 10, 1973. According to testimonies, the detainees were brutally beaten and tortured by their captors, and taken down to the bridge over the Toltén River, situated on the outskirts of the city. It is believed that they were murdered on the bridge and their bodies were then dumped into the water.
"With some compassion and self-discipline, Pinochet could have been remembered as a liberator and not a despot. He was both." – secretagent
Michelle Marguerite Peña Herreros a 27-year-old engineering student at the State Technical University (Universidad Técnica del Estado), was eight months pregnant when she was arrested on 20 June 1975 by members of the DINA.
"Second, the manner of death does not mitigate the guilt of the executed person. Trials are a matter of formality and right to us, as they should be. But they only assess the facts of guilt. Guilt itself comes from the act of crime." – lqclamar
"I gave birth to a healthy, beautiful and intelligent daughter. In the prime of her youth, when she was about to become a mother, felons from an organization named SIM, DINA or CNI, secretly broke into her house one night and took her to torture centers where they isolated her from the outside world before making her disappear, depriving her son of a life and torturing her entire family as well." – The mother of Jacqueline Paulette Drouilly Yurich, disappeared on October 31, 1974.
"The point is that almost all of Pinochet's "victims" were people who deserved it. They were not simple political opponents - the typical Pinochet "victims" were members of the Allende regime, members of marxist militias, members of terror cells, and people who got into gunfights with the police." – lqclamar
Carlos Fariña Oyarce, 13 years old, was the youngest of the ''disappeared'' prisoners of Chile. His remains were found in 2000, 27 years after he was taken from his home by members of the security forces.
Actual Freeper CommentsTM in bold. Stories and photos of Pinochet's victims from Memoriaviva.com.
"It's not appropriate to speak in tongues unless you have an interpreter." – conservatism_IS_compassion (In response to a Spanish post)
"Rest in peace. For all his faults, he was one of history's best warriors against communism." - GunRunner
Reinalda del Carmen Pereira Plaza, a medical laboratory technologist and a trade union leader, was violently abducted in Santiago on 15 December 1976 by two armed men who forced her into a car. She was nearly six months pregnant at the time.
"Yes, he apparently killed 3000 people as he stopped socialism. But had the Socialists not been stopped, I'm reasonably sure that Chile would have seen more bloodshed, and might, even today, be a thorn in our side.
Pinochet was no saint. But I think history will be kind to him." – ClearCase_guy
A pencil was reportedly thrust into Claudio Thauby's navel and pushed up towards his ribs. One witness testified to having seen him being badly beaten the night of his arrival at the Villa Grimaldi particularly around the ears. This appeared to have caused balancing difficulties and resulted in him needing two people to hold him up. Another detainee related hearing that Claudio Thauby had died under torture.
"my ex is from Chile and she liked Pinochet because the socialists were taking property and her family farm was to be seized as well. Pinochet rose to power and the family farm was saved." – teacherwoes
Modesto Reinante Raipan, 18, and his brothers Alberto, and Ernesto, was arrested among 16 people arrested in the Liquiñe sector at the Panguipulli Forest and Timber Complex on October 10, 1973. According to testimonies, the detainees were brutally beaten and tortured by their captors, and taken down to the bridge over the Toltén River, situated on the outskirts of the city. It is believed that they were murdered on the bridge and their bodies were then dumped into the water.
"With some compassion and self-discipline, Pinochet could have been remembered as a liberator and not a despot. He was both." – secretagent
Michelle Marguerite Peña Herreros a 27-year-old engineering student at the State Technical University (Universidad Técnica del Estado), was eight months pregnant when she was arrested on 20 June 1975 by members of the DINA.
"Second, the manner of death does not mitigate the guilt of the executed person. Trials are a matter of formality and right to us, as they should be. But they only assess the facts of guilt. Guilt itself comes from the act of crime." – lqclamar
"I gave birth to a healthy, beautiful and intelligent daughter. In the prime of her youth, when she was about to become a mother, felons from an organization named SIM, DINA or CNI, secretly broke into her house one night and took her to torture centers where they isolated her from the outside world before making her disappear, depriving her son of a life and torturing her entire family as well." – The mother of Jacqueline Paulette Drouilly Yurich, disappeared on October 31, 1974.
"The point is that almost all of Pinochet's "victims" were people who deserved it. They were not simple political opponents - the typical Pinochet "victims" were members of the Allende regime, members of marxist militias, members of terror cells, and people who got into gunfights with the police." – lqclamar
Carlos Fariña Oyarce, 13 years old, was the youngest of the ''disappeared'' prisoners of Chile. His remains were found in 2000, 27 years after he was taken from his home by members of the security forces.
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Date: 2006-12-12 12:10 am (UTC)SocialistPost, I suppose, but the fanboying over Franco is pretty gross. He also contradicts himself—by his own standards, Hitler was quite successful until his reach outstripped his grasp. But I guess you can run a pro-Franco editorial but not a pro-Hitler editorial.Pinochet Wins In the "Succesful" Sweepstakes?!?
Date: 2006-12-12 12:33 am (UTC)Socialist(thanks, sabotabby) Post's politics didn't disgust me, its grasp of history certainly does. Pinochet had nothing on Spain's Generalissimo Franco for longevity.Re: Pinochet Wins In the "Succesful" Sweepstakes?!?
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Date: 2006-12-12 04:52 am (UTC)Trials are a matter of formality and right to us, as they should be. But they only assess the facts of guilt. Guilt itself comes from the act of crime.
And there I was thinking trials were there to determine whether or not someone was innocent. Silly me.
So much hate for Pinochet.
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