Doctor Who

[sabotabby]

Kind of anti-climactic after the awesomeness of last week, y/y?



I—liked it, but probably not for the right reasons. Am I supposed to be interpreting the Doctor/Rose resolution as deeply twisted? Or was it supposed to be romantic? I can never tell these things.

• Someone is writing Doctor/DoctorClone/Donna/Jack pr0n as I type this.

• Terrorist fist jab!



• More German Daleks plz.

• Isn't the Doctor already half-human?

• Donna's resolution was about the saddest thing ever. I'm sort of annoyed that everyone else got relatively happy endings and she didn't. I think I might have preferred her dying heroically, even. Though here's a good argument as to why she shouldn't have.

Overall, it was a mildly disappointing ending to what's been the best series of Nu Who yet. Which is not damning at all when you think about it. And now we have Martha and Mickey's Adventures in Torchwood as well as more Cybermen to look forward to.

Comments

[threeliesforone.livejournal.com]

the doctor/rose resolution felt like a consolation prize. sort of like: "oh hai stop trying to destroy worlds by crossing parallel universes plz. hope this makes you stay put." so, yeah: twisted.

i think donna got ripped off. then again, it seems like all the working class companions have to have some strange way of being "dropped off" because they get too moony-eye. or perhaps that's just me.

[sabotabby]

the doctor/rose resolution felt like a consolation prize. sort of like: "oh hai stop trying to destroy worlds by crossing parallel universes plz. hope this makes you stay put." so, yeah: twisted.

Exactly. If I got the rapid-fire dialogue right, her attempts to reunite with him almost destroyed all universes everywhere. Which makes me think he put his clone there to watch her. It's just so dysfunctional!

it seems like all the working class companions have to have some strange way of being "dropped off" because they get too moony-eye. or perhaps that's just me.

Hmm. I didn't like the class implications of Rose's story either.

[jenlight.livejournal.com]

I don't know. I've sort of thought the working class companions have been cooler. Rose - Doctor actually loved her. Donna - didn't fall for the Doctor.
It was upper class Martha who got all moony-eye.

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[sabotabby]

It's more what they did to Rose in S2 that bothered me, class-wise. Like all of a sudden she was above Jackie and Mickey. And that thing at the end where she was all, "Oh, I'm working in a shop—just kidding, I'm with Torchwood now" really chafed.

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[jenlight.livejournal.com]

Hmm. It sounded more like a "I didn't grow up, just joking" thing more than a class thing.

And as for being "above" her mother and the guy who she doesn't love who loves her... that's all just obvious to me.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the class implications of which you speak. Don't we all strive to escape the working class?

Re: Extermineren!

[sabotabby]

I more got the sense that she considered herself a more valuable human being. Which I suppose in a sense she was, since she was saving the world, but in political terms it was a bit problematic.

[threeliesforone.livejournal.com]

Right. I recall Rose being called a "chav" more than once.

& Donna (a pink collar ghetto temp!), well, her life just sucks without the Doctor. Not like Dr. Martha Jones whose courted for jobs all over the place *before* she finishes her MD!

[jenlight.livejournal.com]

Kinda realistic.

[threeliesforone.livejournal.com]

actually, it might not be class, it might be sexims!

http://io9.com/5022250/why-steven-moffat-isnt-all-that

(i know russell davies wrote these last two episodes, but he thinks highly of moffat... so... y'know)

[sabotabby]

Funny, I've generally thought of Davies as a worse offender re: female characterization than Moffat. (Am I in the minority with liking River Song, albeit not her ultimate fate? I can't tell. I liked Madame de Pompadour too.)

But, yeah, it seems as soon as a woman in Nu Who starts to approach the Doctor's level of knowledge and power, something awful happens to her. Contrast with Jack, not that I want something awful to happen to him.

[misfratz.livejournal.com]

Nooooo! Everyone I know liked River Song. She's awesome. I've missed half the episodes though so I'm not sure about anything in the general plot direction.

[sabotabby]

Okay, good. On some forums I was reading everyone was calling her a Mary Sue. Which, okay, but so is the Doctor. Half the point is how awesome the characters are.

[robotar.livejournal.com]

It's interesting, though, because I used to live in London and Chiswick is kind of a posh, very middle-class suburb.

[sabotabby]

She didn't come off as posh, but her mum kind of did. Downwardly mobile, perhaps?

Extermineren!

[jenlight.livejournal.com]

Mickey's joining Torchwood?!

I agree. The Donna ending was teh lame. HOPEFULLY she will somehow remember or ... I don't know. They left it open. I think. Maybe.

I hated the Rose DoctorClone ending. I think it was an attempt to shut the fans up about the Rose thing.

And you know what? I hate happy endings! Damn it!

Isn't the Doctor already half-human?
No. Well not in this version.

Re: Extermineren!

[sabotabby]

I read the ending as Mickey joining Torchwood. I mean, Jack said that he couldn't get rid of him. Which is yay! because I won't be as sad about no Tosh if we get Mickey and Martha.

I agree. The Donna ending was teh lame. HOPEFULLY she will somehow remember or ... I don't know. They left it open. I think. Maybe.

I hope so. I wish she'd somehow ended in a better place.

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[realcdaae.livejournal.com]

IAWTC.

Re: Extermineren!

[captainmushroom.livejournal.com]

Then will we see Catherine Tate's head explode? Or maybe they'll send her off to her Ginger Refuge.

[gillen.livejournal.com]

Davros: "So very full of fire, is he not? And to think you crossed entire universes, striding parallel to parallel to find him again."

Doctor: "Leave her alone."

Davros: "She is mine... to do as I please."

Rose: "Then why am I still alive?"

Davros: "Have you never looked in a mirror, my dear? I mean, I may be centuries old and half-machine, but goddamn, girl."

[sabotabby]

Hahahaha.

[eboniorchid.livejournal.com]

AHHHH! *squeegies brain after wrong WRONG thoughts of Davros/Rose Dalek-voyeured non-con* AHHHHHHHH! *runs around screaming*

[gillen.livejournal.com]

Heh. Visions of the Dalek Emperor walking (rolling?) in on them.

"WHAT IS GO-ING ON??? EX-PLAIN! EX-PLAIN!!!"

[robotar.livejournal.com]

Did you think this episode MOVED SO FAST? well, anyway, i'm left a little disconcerted and also we still didn't get to hear the doctor say "i love you" to rose, which you know he did, and is disappointing to me because she's still my favorite nu-companion (although i wish kylie hadn't died). i have the aching suspicion we'll see donna again, though i'm looking forward to seeing a new companion. this was the most substanceless, rambling dr. who commentary ever written.

[sabotabby]

It was a bit of a wild ride. I'm watching it again tonight, I think. And not on YouTube. I was just dying to know, but now the download's finished and I can watch a proper version.

I hope the new companion is actually new, and not someone we've seen before. I want to see what Moffat does with a clean slate.

[ironed_orchid]

I kept thinking the blue doctor would sacrifice himself to save them. That would've been more satisfying a narrative than him staying with Rose to grow old together. Definitely consolation prize.

I thought I was was relieved when Donna didn't die, but then...just to go back to Donna before the Doctor... that's just so unfair, why have a character develop if she doesn't get to keep those developments.

I hope we do get Martha and Mickey on Torchwood... but will RTD still be in charge of Torchwood near year, or does that get passed on as well. It is RTDs baby, or as I like to call it, the bastard lovechild of Queer as Folk and Doctor Who.

• Someone is writing Doctor/DoctorClone/Donna/Jack pr0n as I type this.
Definitely.

[sabotabby]

I kept thinking the blue doctor would sacrifice himself to save them. That would've been more satisfying a narrative than him staying with Rose to grow old together. Definitely consolation prize.

I thought it was funny, but that's because I'm evil, and they had the good sense to make Rose not-too-happy with the whole thing.

I thought I was was relieved when Donna didn't die, but then...just to go back to Donna before the Doctor... that's just so unfair, why have a character develop if she doesn't get to keep those developments.

That's what irritated me the most. I hate it when there's all kinds of lovely character development—and hers was stellar—and then they press the reset button.

[misfratz.livejournal.com]

OK, I just watched it. Yes, twisted. Also, wtf?!

[sabotabby]

WHY RUSTY WHY?

[eboniorchid.livejournal.com]

I both liked and didn't like this episode, which makes me want to find a way to re-write it, like ... better.

Maybe I someone could write an AU where the clone-doctor can either go with Rose and they can live happily ever after or he can effectively die merging with Donna (some kind of meta-crisis reversal) so she doesn't split apart from the mind-mixing. I would also add in an ACTUAL DEATH, since that was what they kept saying, and since I have a really hard time understanding how Donna is the "most faithful companion," I would like it to be that Rose gets the glorious hero's farewell that really suits the awesomeness we saw in her in Turn Left and everything. Maybe, after seeing the Doctor's horror at the "killers" that he's created and then again at the destruction of the Daleks, Rose dies showing that his legacy is so much more than that, maybe trying to save Davros. Then the journey tugging the Earth home is a bittersweet reunion for all gathered around the Tardis console, an ending to an adventure that both helps them remember why they loved being with the Doctor and why they also love the lives they live without him. To add further angst and realism and complexity, though, the Doctor knows that even with the clone-doctor merging with Donna that s/he is unstable and dangerous, so he's torn up further after losing Rose because he has to lock Doctor!Donna away in stasis in the Tardis somewhere, leaving things open for an awesome morally ambiguous part-Doctor ally or villainess further down the road. Her family doesn't get to say goodbye and it's all angsty and whatnot, but she'll get to travel with the Doctor forever now and maybe one day, he'll figure out a way to separate his war-born Timelord consciousness from her own and bring her back. Y/Y?!

I actually think there will probably be tons of better AU endings written in fanfic this week. Though, sadly, not likely by me. But ... now that I've written the outline, I kinda want to see it written and DAMNIT why don't I have more DW icons! *shakes fist*

[sabotabby]

Aww, write it please? That would be awesome.

[captainmushroom.livejournal.com]

I felt that they rather went too big with this one. And I haven't really enjoyed the integration of all the spinoff shows. Haven't hated it, either. Just felt more than a little contrived.

That said, I did love it when the three doctors were together and Jack just smiled and said "I can't tell you what I'm thinking right now."

Yeah, like we didn't already know.

[sabotabby]

We always know what Jack is thinking.

[kaelynn.livejournal.com]

*tries not to read* you're ahead of us US sci-fi channel watchers... what channel do you catch Dr. Who on anyway? I think you're talking about the season finale (2-parter) and that starts airing next week here.

[sabotabby]

I, er, torrent it. I'm not good with spoiler avoidance.

[kaelynn.livejournal.com]

*grins* gotcha. So I take it you're where England is, basically.

[sabotabby]

I watch it a few hours after they do.