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Yes, I know I should be posting about Occupy or any number of things going on in the world, but I'm up to my ears in trying to teach kids how film works as a medium, and it so happened that I was finally talked into watching a show that makes great use of film (well, video, but the conventions of film) as a medium. (I'm also reading an interesting book about social networking, so get ready to hear me rant about that when I'm trying to teach kids how the intertubes work as a medium. Probably not as much, though, because so far nothing has blown up in the book.)
I highly recommend
bitter_crimson's post on why you should watch the show, as it convinced me and I more or less agree with said post, having now watched the show. Also, those clips are about a thousand times funnier in context.
A note on spoilers. There are some. But they're things like (as
snarkitysnarks brought up in my last post) "human head on a tortoise." Which makes absolutely no sense if you haven't seen the show, so probably won't ruin your enjoyment of said scene when it occurs. If I told you what happens after there's a human head on a tortoise, I suppose that would be a spoiler.
Accordingly, if you're one of those people who cannot possibly know anything about what's going to happen before you see it, might be better to skip this one. But I'll try not to give everything away.
Okay, so I've mentioned in various other posts that there are certain things that I find triggery and don't like to watch as entertainment. These things amount to: drug dealing, drug addiction, cancer, and people being fuck-ups*. This is basically the entire plot of Breaking Bad. And these things are depicted—well, not realistically per se, but realistically enough—that it's kind of like watching one giant trigger. Oh, with added sexual assault in one episode, and bad things happening to children. Why this bothered me so much in The Wire and why I think it's hilarious in BrBa is kind of complicated. The representations of the things that trigger me are just removed enough, I guess, just stylized enough, that while I find it deeply disturbing to watch, it is not disturbing enough that I can't watch.
(Though maybe it's just that I'm a saner person than I was a year or two ago. Just don't make me re-watch Requiem for a Dream. Like, ever.)
Anyway, enough about my triggers; this is basically a squee post. And what makes me squee is:
The premise is a deconstruction of the American dream, the trope of the rugged individualist, and capitalism.
I've said it's my second-favourite TV show currently on; my first is still Treme, which is explicitly political and explicitly my kind of politics. Nuanced about it, and subtle, but the politics are there. I won't argue that BrBa is a political show as such (though it does contain a dig at libertarianism that is pretty great). It's more that it questions the unstated politics of other shows and films.
Essentially, Hollywood is all over stories of the underdog who goes it alone. Characters can be dark, and gritty, and do bad things, but if there's a good reason–and the best reason involves the nuclear family—the narrative excuses it. BrBa is all about problematizing** that narrative. Walt has what's considered the best of intentions and he's never let off the hook, either within the internal world of the other characters, or from the audience's POV. The more ruggedly individualistic he gets—and the richer he gets—the more horrible he becomes.
The critique of capitalism is just as obvious. The drug trade is a business. In one episode, Jesse delivers a tirade about how he and Walt produce the wealth, but only receive a fraction of the value of what they produce. It's Marx, adulterated with liberal use of the word "bitches." He comes off as a brat, because, well, he's a millionaire by that point in the show, but the dynamics are still evident. At the bottom are the Latin American workers, who face the most risk (deportation and death) for the least payoff, and at the top, the capitalist class provides initial investment but is sheltered, season finales aside, from the consequence of its actions. Not to mention that the entire premise of the show would fall apart in the face of a functional social safety net, but that's too obvious for me to even point out.
How bloody horrible is Walt, anyway?
There's villain protagonists, but not very many on TV. It's something that works better in film, because it's hard to maintain audience sympathy for someone who is irredeemably evil. I've seen it argued that the only way BrBa manages to make it work is that the audience sympathizes with Jesse rather than with Walt, but I don't think it's just that. It completely revels in making you root for hypermasculine bad guys who've made Faustian bargains (Gus too—and he also has a sympathetic backstory), and makes you complicit in their actions because you're enjoying yourself so much. Someone (maybe Amanda Marcotte, who seems to share my taste in pop culture a bit) brought up a parallel to the movie theater scene in Inglorious Basterds, where the audience of Germans applauding the deaths of Allied soldiers reflects you, the audience, taking too much pleasure in the gruesome deaths of Nazis. BrBa is amazing at taking the vocabulary of film and using it to ramp up the anxiety every time it looks like Walt might get found out.
Speaking of hypermasculinity...
Every male character except Walt Jr. is just so, so macho (coincidentally, Walt Jr. is the only morally pure character), and the show loves to deconstruct that too. It is in almost all cases bravado, a survival strategy in an incredibly violent milieu, and it's so great to watch it being challenged. (Oz, which if you discount the last season where everything got silly and there was a musical and no Said, is probably still my favourite TV show ever, did this too.) The focus on what it means to be a man does mean that the female characters get short shrift and Alison Bechdel is not be most pleased, but it is still a critique of the patriarchy.
Incidentally, despite the overwhelming maleness of the characters, I really relate to them. Many pixels have been spilled (bad metaphor) over whether Walt starts out good and becomes evil, makes a conscious choice to become evil, or was always a nasty bastard deep down and was just waiting to express it outwardly. I don't know how much it matters, insofar as the critique of the construct of masculinity in the show suggests that under normal circumstances, one can be a nasty bastard but as long as one's actions remain socially acceptable, one can still present as a steady, reliable beta male. These can be female social restraints as well—in some cases, even more so—and as someone who frequently feels like a vicious, twisted bastard in the shell of a docile, socially acceptable woman, I can really get into a narrative that's basically the fantasy of a repressed, ugly piece of work.
Okay, but let's talk about the female characters.
I could take or leave Marie, and Jane and Andrea aren't major enough to really analyze, but dear God do I ever love Skyler. I love that they've presented her as a combination of the stock wife in a sitcom (nagging, shrewish, humourless, smart, but having no inner life beyond being the family organizer and general killjoy) and the stock wife to an antihero (clueless), and then blown those clichés apart, reminding you that she's a fully realized, intelligent person who clues in to her husband's deceit, plots against him and then later with him, and struggles to fulfil her own needs and desires. And also that you're a terrible person if you hope that she doesn't figure out what Walt's up to.
The cinematography
I kind of want to go to New Mexico now. It's really pretty.
Beyond that, there is so much cool going on visually. There's beautiful framing, time lapse, stop motion, a music video at one point, amazing mise en scène, and blah blah I didn't actually go to film school, you know? There's subtle things like the way they shoot Walt when he's talking to Jesse (he looms in the foreground) versus when he's talking to Skyler (he slouches behind her, even though there's not much of a height difference) versus when he's talking to Gus. Or the openings, which flash forward to deliberately confusing scenes—a teddy bear floating in the pool with half of its face blackened, a pair of pants flying away from a truck—so that you're left trying to piece together the sequence of events, sometimes over several episodes.
Did I mention there's a music video?
Like, the whole thing. With shitty transitions and everything. On the version I watched, it didn't have subtitles. I couldn't stop giggling.
Stylization!
I am a sucker for stylized dialogue. Mamet, Buffy, you name it. That is pretty much my favourite thing. The second I realized what they were doing with Jesse's speech patterns, I no longer wanted to punch him in the face.
No, seriously, I love Jesse.
I realize he's supposed to be in his mid-20s and therefore closer to my age than to the age of the kids I teach, but he is basically like half the boys I've ever taught. (Which makes me hate Walt for being such a shitty teacher, and also for not taking Jesse Go-Karting.) I have no idea what other things that actor has been in, or whether he's playing against type like Bryan Cranston apparently is, but the clothes, the mannerisms, the bravado, the boredom montages, all read to me as incredibly authentic and just heartwrenching, and makes me want to try even harder with my kids so that they don't flunk out of my class and become meth dealers who get punched in the face all the time.
I almost love Gus more. Almost.
If you don't know why I love Gus, it's because you haven't gotten far enough in the show for him to have made his first appearance. Also, he kind of reminds me of one of my favourite instructors at OISE. Who was not a drug lord to my knowledge, but had very similar fashion sense.
The pacing.
When you think about it, there's really not that many stories that can be told given the concept while still focusing on basically four main characters. Which is how they can get away with an episode every so often where—another spoiler—a fly gets into the meth lab and Walt and Jesse have to kill it. That is the whole episode. It's bloody brilliant. I mean, it's a metaphor about how their entire dynamic and lives are fucked up, and there's character development and so on, but it's also two guys trying to kill a fly for 45 minutes in a show that also has car chases, shootouts, and really awesome explosions.
The character dynamics.
I love two characters not being able to spit it out almost as much as I dislike watching people be addicted to drugs. Absolutely no two major characters in this show are able to say what they mean to each other. It's all repression, all the time. Which is my favourite thing next to stylized dialogue.
The black, black humour.
I mentioned this before, but there's a scene in around the second or third episode where Walt kills a guy and then he and Jesse have to dispose of the body. Using acid. It goes wrong. Several floors of liquified drug dealer remains kind of wrong. There's a part where the sequence is funny, and then there's a line that it crosses where it becomes really disturbing, and then they find another line to cross where it goes back to funny again, and it just keeps going. Same thing with the head on the tortoise. It's all anti-comedic timing, and it's so uncomfortable to watch, and mood whiplash is really the greatest.
Um, that was longer than I meant it to be. Shorter
sabotabby: As a viewer, I like to be manipulated into watching things that I shouldn't like, and to be conscious of said manipulation. And also drugs are bad.
* The best example of the latter is that scene in The Wire where the guy can't put an IKEA bed together. I hated that character and wanted him to die. I can put an IKEA bed together.
** SORRY! I typed it, regretted it, and couldn't find another way to express that idea. Just ship me off to York University to run anti-oppression workshops or something.
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Accordingly, if you're one of those people who cannot possibly know anything about what's going to happen before you see it, might be better to skip this one. But I'll try not to give everything away.
Okay, so I've mentioned in various other posts that there are certain things that I find triggery and don't like to watch as entertainment. These things amount to: drug dealing, drug addiction, cancer, and people being fuck-ups*. This is basically the entire plot of Breaking Bad. And these things are depicted—well, not realistically per se, but realistically enough—that it's kind of like watching one giant trigger. Oh, with added sexual assault in one episode, and bad things happening to children. Why this bothered me so much in The Wire and why I think it's hilarious in BrBa is kind of complicated. The representations of the things that trigger me are just removed enough, I guess, just stylized enough, that while I find it deeply disturbing to watch, it is not disturbing enough that I can't watch.
(Though maybe it's just that I'm a saner person than I was a year or two ago. Just don't make me re-watch Requiem for a Dream. Like, ever.)
Anyway, enough about my triggers; this is basically a squee post. And what makes me squee is:
The premise is a deconstruction of the American dream, the trope of the rugged individualist, and capitalism.
I've said it's my second-favourite TV show currently on; my first is still Treme, which is explicitly political and explicitly my kind of politics. Nuanced about it, and subtle, but the politics are there. I won't argue that BrBa is a political show as such (though it does contain a dig at libertarianism that is pretty great). It's more that it questions the unstated politics of other shows and films.
Essentially, Hollywood is all over stories of the underdog who goes it alone. Characters can be dark, and gritty, and do bad things, but if there's a good reason–and the best reason involves the nuclear family—the narrative excuses it. BrBa is all about problematizing** that narrative. Walt has what's considered the best of intentions and he's never let off the hook, either within the internal world of the other characters, or from the audience's POV. The more ruggedly individualistic he gets—and the richer he gets—the more horrible he becomes.
The critique of capitalism is just as obvious. The drug trade is a business. In one episode, Jesse delivers a tirade about how he and Walt produce the wealth, but only receive a fraction of the value of what they produce. It's Marx, adulterated with liberal use of the word "bitches." He comes off as a brat, because, well, he's a millionaire by that point in the show, but the dynamics are still evident. At the bottom are the Latin American workers, who face the most risk (deportation and death) for the least payoff, and at the top, the capitalist class provides initial investment but is sheltered, season finales aside, from the consequence of its actions. Not to mention that the entire premise of the show would fall apart in the face of a functional social safety net, but that's too obvious for me to even point out.
How bloody horrible is Walt, anyway?
There's villain protagonists, but not very many on TV. It's something that works better in film, because it's hard to maintain audience sympathy for someone who is irredeemably evil. I've seen it argued that the only way BrBa manages to make it work is that the audience sympathizes with Jesse rather than with Walt, but I don't think it's just that. It completely revels in making you root for hypermasculine bad guys who've made Faustian bargains (Gus too—and he also has a sympathetic backstory), and makes you complicit in their actions because you're enjoying yourself so much. Someone (maybe Amanda Marcotte, who seems to share my taste in pop culture a bit) brought up a parallel to the movie theater scene in Inglorious Basterds, where the audience of Germans applauding the deaths of Allied soldiers reflects you, the audience, taking too much pleasure in the gruesome deaths of Nazis. BrBa is amazing at taking the vocabulary of film and using it to ramp up the anxiety every time it looks like Walt might get found out.
Speaking of hypermasculinity...
Every male character except Walt Jr. is just so, so macho (coincidentally, Walt Jr. is the only morally pure character), and the show loves to deconstruct that too. It is in almost all cases bravado, a survival strategy in an incredibly violent milieu, and it's so great to watch it being challenged. (Oz, which if you discount the last season where everything got silly and there was a musical and no Said, is probably still my favourite TV show ever, did this too.) The focus on what it means to be a man does mean that the female characters get short shrift and Alison Bechdel is not be most pleased, but it is still a critique of the patriarchy.
Incidentally, despite the overwhelming maleness of the characters, I really relate to them. Many pixels have been spilled (bad metaphor) over whether Walt starts out good and becomes evil, makes a conscious choice to become evil, or was always a nasty bastard deep down and was just waiting to express it outwardly. I don't know how much it matters, insofar as the critique of the construct of masculinity in the show suggests that under normal circumstances, one can be a nasty bastard but as long as one's actions remain socially acceptable, one can still present as a steady, reliable beta male. These can be female social restraints as well—in some cases, even more so—and as someone who frequently feels like a vicious, twisted bastard in the shell of a docile, socially acceptable woman, I can really get into a narrative that's basically the fantasy of a repressed, ugly piece of work.
Okay, but let's talk about the female characters.
I could take or leave Marie, and Jane and Andrea aren't major enough to really analyze, but dear God do I ever love Skyler. I love that they've presented her as a combination of the stock wife in a sitcom (nagging, shrewish, humourless, smart, but having no inner life beyond being the family organizer and general killjoy) and the stock wife to an antihero (clueless), and then blown those clichés apart, reminding you that she's a fully realized, intelligent person who clues in to her husband's deceit, plots against him and then later with him, and struggles to fulfil her own needs and desires. And also that you're a terrible person if you hope that she doesn't figure out what Walt's up to.
The cinematography
I kind of want to go to New Mexico now. It's really pretty.
Beyond that, there is so much cool going on visually. There's beautiful framing, time lapse, stop motion, a music video at one point, amazing mise en scène, and blah blah I didn't actually go to film school, you know? There's subtle things like the way they shoot Walt when he's talking to Jesse (he looms in the foreground) versus when he's talking to Skyler (he slouches behind her, even though there's not much of a height difference) versus when he's talking to Gus. Or the openings, which flash forward to deliberately confusing scenes—a teddy bear floating in the pool with half of its face blackened, a pair of pants flying away from a truck—so that you're left trying to piece together the sequence of events, sometimes over several episodes.
Did I mention there's a music video?
Like, the whole thing. With shitty transitions and everything. On the version I watched, it didn't have subtitles. I couldn't stop giggling.
Stylization!
I am a sucker for stylized dialogue. Mamet, Buffy, you name it. That is pretty much my favourite thing. The second I realized what they were doing with Jesse's speech patterns, I no longer wanted to punch him in the face.
No, seriously, I love Jesse.
I realize he's supposed to be in his mid-20s and therefore closer to my age than to the age of the kids I teach, but he is basically like half the boys I've ever taught. (Which makes me hate Walt for being such a shitty teacher, and also for not taking Jesse Go-Karting.) I have no idea what other things that actor has been in, or whether he's playing against type like Bryan Cranston apparently is, but the clothes, the mannerisms, the bravado, the boredom montages, all read to me as incredibly authentic and just heartwrenching, and makes me want to try even harder with my kids so that they don't flunk out of my class and become meth dealers who get punched in the face all the time.
I almost love Gus more. Almost.
If you don't know why I love Gus, it's because you haven't gotten far enough in the show for him to have made his first appearance. Also, he kind of reminds me of one of my favourite instructors at OISE. Who was not a drug lord to my knowledge, but had very similar fashion sense.
The pacing.
When you think about it, there's really not that many stories that can be told given the concept while still focusing on basically four main characters. Which is how they can get away with an episode every so often where—another spoiler—a fly gets into the meth lab and Walt and Jesse have to kill it. That is the whole episode. It's bloody brilliant. I mean, it's a metaphor about how their entire dynamic and lives are fucked up, and there's character development and so on, but it's also two guys trying to kill a fly for 45 minutes in a show that also has car chases, shootouts, and really awesome explosions.
The character dynamics.
I love two characters not being able to spit it out almost as much as I dislike watching people be addicted to drugs. Absolutely no two major characters in this show are able to say what they mean to each other. It's all repression, all the time. Which is my favourite thing next to stylized dialogue.
The black, black humour.
I mentioned this before, but there's a scene in around the second or third episode where Walt kills a guy and then he and Jesse have to dispose of the body. Using acid. It goes wrong. Several floors of liquified drug dealer remains kind of wrong. There's a part where the sequence is funny, and then there's a line that it crosses where it becomes really disturbing, and then they find another line to cross where it goes back to funny again, and it just keeps going. Same thing with the head on the tortoise. It's all anti-comedic timing, and it's so uncomfortable to watch, and mood whiplash is really the greatest.
Um, that was longer than I meant it to be. Shorter
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* The best example of the latter is that scene in The Wire where the guy can't put an IKEA bed together. I hated that character and wanted him to die. I can put an IKEA bed together.
** SORRY! I typed it, regretted it, and couldn't find another way to express that idea. Just ship me off to York University to run anti-oppression workshops or something.
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Date: 2011-11-10 10:53 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2011-11-10 11:25 pm (UTC)Walt probably felt (whether it was justified or not)-that he was too good for the life he wound up with, too smart.
He was bitter. He felt cheated.
Once he started to get a taste of money and power, his head blew up.
And even when he had a chance to get out of dealing, he couldnt stay out for long.
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Date: 2011-11-10 11:28 pm (UTC)Oh, I also relate to embittered entitlement. It's a GenX thing.
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Date: 2011-11-10 11:41 pm (UTC)Youre smart, but youre not a mad chemist.
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Date: 2011-11-10 11:47 pm (UTC)Oops I gues I'm gonna have to split this into two comments!
Date: 2011-11-11 01:42 am (UTC)@ your * #1 (re: The Wire): ahahahaha MCNULTY. See I just h8 McNulty in general for being himself, hahaha. XD
The premise is a deconstruction of the American dream, the trope of the rugged individualist, and capitalism. >> YES YES YES YES YES!!! I keep thinking about trying to write an essay about this but I suck at writing anything substantial these days.
But srsly, Walt is like this perfect combined distillation of these ideas about masculinity, individualism, and capitalism that then in the context of his actions and the show are revealed as being as ttly fucked up and broken as they are. I was also so pleased when Vince Gilligan gave a talk where he was discussing ppl arguing about Walt's motivations etc. and whether in the beginning of the show his motivations were initially "good" or not (I strongly believe they never were). And Gilligan was all, "Well, that's open to ppl's interpretation etc. etc., but for me I think that is settled early on when he's given an alternative (the Schwarzes paying for his treatment) and he refuses it." And I was like YAY VINCE GILLIGAN YAY! Like. There are still various places in this show where I think that I and the show creators may ~differ~ in how we view certain character beliefs and actions (and of course the show has many creators and THEY don't all agree on everything, as one can tell by comparing Bryan Cranston talking about his character with Vince Gilligan talking about that same character), but it still pleased me to know that Gilligan wasn't one of those who thinks that Walt in the beginning is a "good guy." lol anyway, went on a tangent there. :)
I would agree that Walt Jr. is the most morally pure character, but I wouldn't call him ttly pure. And I'd disagree that he's exempt from the macho crap -- for example, though partially it's due to his lack of knowledge about what's going on, in S3 in particular his blame of his mother really gets fused with a strong sense of misogyny (blaming her b/c she's the "bitch mother" who punishes Walt for no reason). Incidentally I think it's interesting that this is directly reflected in the way many viewers (whom I vehemently disagree with) also hate Skyler -- in that case b/c she's the "bitch wife/mother" who "punishes Walt for no reason," etc. I have never understood those ppl at all (do they not see Walt's behavior? how would THEY act in that situation?), although yesterday or something I read some interesting other thoughts about this. That some viewers indeed don't put themselves at all in her position, and instead it's b/c the show is from Walt's POV mainly and the action is centered around Walt, and thus Skyler is often (particularly in S1-midS3ish) an "obstacle" in the way of Walt continuing to do [whatever].
I do think it's unfortunate that female characters overall get such little attention/development/interaction with each other, but I similarly DO like the critiques grounded through the focus on the male characters.
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Date: 2011-11-11 01:42 am (UTC)Kind of going back to stuff above about Skyler and also stuff said just now about characters doing certain things in service of the narrative -- I was/am never sure if I found Skyler's decisions about what to do re: Walt in S3-4 convincing. On my first watch-through I found it very OOC and thought that given what we'd seen of her personality so far, she would have turned him in (after he pushed her by moving back into the house especially), but of course the writers couldn't have that happen b/c it would end the show. Now I'm not totally sure. I guess I can buy it more given how they have continued developing the character in S4. And they did kind of plant the premise for her willingness to overlook certain things with the cooking of Ted's books and whatnot. So I remain undecided!
I find New Mexico really pretty ~on film~, heh. When I lived there for a summer I got sick of the lack of green & rain after a week or so. So I think maybe my relationship to that state is better staying in short doses or at a distance. XD And I have shared my love of the cinematography overall as well!! Yes to all those things. One thing I didn't notice as much until I listened to the commentaries is how many scenes they shoot where two characters are talking and the focus is on the character who is listening/reacting rather than the one who is talking. I find that really neat and interesting when they use it.
Re: Aaron Paul (who plays Jesse), he hasn't really had a main role in anything else of note before this. But I've watched many of his guest things in other shows and he tends to often play these characters that I would describe as "ineffectual douchebags," haha. So in that respect matches Jesse in many ways. ;) Anyway it makes me super joyous when ppl also love Jesse like me, YAY.
I LOVE "THE FLY" IT IS POSSIBLY MY FAVORITE EPISODE EVER OF THE ENTIRE SHOW. IT WAS SO AMAZING AND I WAS LIKE, "WOW I CANNOT BELIEVE THEY MADE AN ENTIRE EPISODE ABOUT TWO DUDES TRYING TO KILL A FLY AND THAT IT WAS SO AWESOME."
Er, or three XD
Date: 2011-11-11 01:42 am (UTC)The humor is so gr8 and it's hard to pick a few clips and have that come across! Especially with things that are also spoilers. lol I was rewatching with my mom recently and I always lol a ton when Walt is asking Jesse if he knows other distributors, and Jesse's all, "Yeah, I used to. UNTIL YOU KILLED HIM." ahahahahahahahaha.
Anyway I loved reading your thoughts and I will ttly link ppl here and I feel like I can never coherently express interesting thoughts about this show so sorry for my rambling comments that may make no sense. ;)
Re: Er, or three XD
Date: 2011-11-11 02:03 am (UTC)Incidentally I think it's interesting that this is directly reflected in the way many viewers (whom I vehemently disagree with) also hate Skyler -- in that case b/c she's the "bitch wife/mother" who "punishes Walt for no reason," etc. I have never understood those ppl at all (do they not see Walt's behavior? how would THEY act in that situation?), although yesterday or something I read some interesting other thoughts about this. That some viewers indeed don't put themselves at all in her position, and instead it's b/c the show is from Walt's POV mainly and the action is centered around Walt, and thus Skyler is often (particularly in S1-midS3ish) an "obstacle" in the way of Walt continuing to do [whatever].
That's what I love. Because...well, not to get too personal in an unlocked post, but I sympathize and identify with Skyler a lot, and rather understand that covering for her asshole husband's misdeeds might be easier, emotionally speaking, than confronting the real ramifications of what he's done. But given the structure of the show, and the POV, Skyler's the antagonist.
(Well, and also run-of-the-mill fandom misogyny towards any female character on any show. But my foray into finding out how much of a BrBa fandom there was—not very much, apparently—mostly involved going to YouTube to see if anyone had made a fanvid to "Lawyers, Guns, and Money." No one has. This is clearly an oversight.)
Anyway, I didn't read Skyler's actions in S3/4 as out-of-character. Alas. I worked in a women's shelter. Intelligent, competent, apparently normal women will put up with a lot more than that.
Like, with what we see of Walt's personality from the pilot on, I just have a hard time believing that he was ever able to work quietly as a teacher for such a long time without acting out in some other way.
He probably power-tripped on his students. I completely buy him as a certain type of teacher that exists in the world.
The humor is so gr8 and it's hard to pick a few clips and have that come across! Especially with things that are also spoilers. lol I was rewatching with my mom recently and I always lol a ton when Walt is asking Jesse if he knows other distributors, and Jesse's all, "Yeah, I used to. UNTIL YOU KILLED HIM." ahahahahahahahaha.
I rewatched the first episode—which I recall not liking, and I also recalled your advice to start with "Four Days Out"—because I'm going to try to get my mom and one of my friends to watch it, the former over the objection that the premise sounds completely stupid. It actually is pretty good by pilot standards. And I am vastly amused that both leads are introduced not wearing pants.
Re: Er, or three XD
Date: 2011-11-11 02:13 am (UTC)Yeah, I think the more I rewatch the show the more Skyler's actions do seem to fit to me. And you are def right about that.
I like the pilot more now that I've seen the rest of the show, heh. I just remember that when I first watched it I was like, "Meh." But I think most pilots leave me like that and it usually takes a bit longer to suck me into the characters/plot. The cinematography is gr8 from the very beginning, tho.
Re: Er, or three XD
Date: 2011-11-11 03:04 am (UTC)Indeed. I love Warren Zevon. There were some other songs that made me think would make great fanvids as well, but I don't think I could actually make one, given that the show is already edited so amazingly.
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Date: 2011-11-11 03:35 am (UTC)Ironically, today I started watching Breaking Bad, and it's totally because of you. I figured anything you like must be awesome. And it is awesome. It reminds me more of a really long movie than a TV show, if that makes sense. I haven't seen the episode with the fly, but I want to. Very few shows hold my interest past three episodes.
After Breaking Bad, I'm going to watch Mad Men. My brothers have been wanting me to watch it forever, but I like stuff you like more than I like stuff they like.
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Date: 2011-11-11 11:49 am (UTC)Mad Men is also brilliant, for most of the same reasons. (And before BrBa ranked second in my list of "best things currently on the air.") It's quite comparable, actually—deconstruction of the patriarchy from the patriarchy's point of view, secretive main character whose public and private identities are in conflict, exceedingly awesome and sympathetic sidekick (Peggy—you will love Peggy) who can act as a substitute protagonist when the main protagonist does morally reprehensible things. Unlike BrBa, it actually had me from the first episode, and I think even the first few minutes of the first episode.
I'd ultimately give both shows their entire run before determining which is better, but I'd give the edge right now to BrBa because it's more focused (MM started to fall apart, narratively speaking, last season, and threatens to continue that trend with the long delays in production and studio interference) and because it's more challenging to write a character on a long downward trajectory than the redemptive trajectory that I think (and hope) they're doing with Don.
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Date: 2011-11-11 05:15 pm (UTC)I basically applaud this whole post, and only have a couple of things to observe. One is that Skylar really irritated me at first, but that's partly because I identified with Walt's desire to repress everything and not tell his family right away, or have treatment, so I felt generally irritated with the rest of them. But that's my issue. Also it annoys me when she does FUCKING STUPID THINGS, but all the adult characters do FUCKING STUPID THINGS, so I don't dislike her more than anyone else.
I would say more but people keep beeping me on Skype. Um, I think I was also going to say that Walt Jr is a nice example of a TV show which deals with disability the way it should be dealt with, ie. not making a big fucking deal about it, and no patronizing crap.
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Date: 2011-11-11 10:21 pm (UTC)One is that Skylar really irritated me at first, but that's partly because I identified with Walt's desire to repress everything and not tell his family right away, or have treatment, so I felt generally irritated with the rest of them. But that's my issue.
Mine too. I overidentified there, totally. But then, everyone in the family is an idiot except Walt Jr., so no big surprises.
I was also going to say that Walt Jr is a nice example of a TV show which deals with disability the way it should be dealt with
Yes! And I can't believe I left that out. It's there, it informs his character, but he's always Walt Jr., a teenager with a disability, instead of Walt Jr., the disabled teenager.
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Date: 2011-11-11 09:05 pm (UTC)I have this lingering cough and I feel freaked out like, what if its cancer (total, sometimes, hypocondriac. everyone has the flue. I think the cough is going away). Also the main character looks a bit like my dad who does have cancer. and it just all seems too grim and mean.
I was watching it but then realized it was kinda depressing and freaking me out. why will this guy do anything for his family but not take charity from the rich guy who he used to do stuff with his company. thats not right. I can't get into these decisions.
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Date: 2011-11-11 10:24 pm (UTC)why will this guy do anything for his family but not take charity from the rich guy who he used to do stuff with his company. thats not right. I can't get into these decisions.
Well, because he's a terrible person. :)
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Date: 2011-11-11 11:09 pm (UTC)thanks for the explanation! :)
Yea. Its funny how different things strike you when you are in different points of stuff happening in you life.
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Date: 2011-11-12 11:22 pm (UTC)For similar reasons, I just can't get into reading the Game of Thrones series. I read the first one and just couldn't care enough about the remaining characters to pick up the second book.
It's part of the reason I didn't enjoy Seinfeld as a show. All these people I find absolutely hilarious say that they think it was the funniest show on TV, and I can't stand to watch it.
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Date: 2011-11-13 03:41 am (UTC)BrBa works for me, I think, because the main character's descent into irredeemability is gradual, if inevitable, and because the supporting characters really are sympathetic. But I see how people can't get into it.
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Date: 2011-11-14 09:09 am (UTC)It'll probably take a while though, because I still have stacks of books to read. On the plus side, I found my 2 dollar bill that serves as a bookmark when I picked up the Yiddish Policeman's Union again.
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Date: 2011-11-16 10:15 pm (UTC)One last point: I think no analysis of the female characters on BrBa is complete without including Wendy (Remember: "Wendy has stor-my eyes that flash at the sound of lies").
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Date: 2011-11-16 12:57 am (UTC)Of course, now I have a theory about Saul, which is that the only reason any women ever goes near him voluntarily is because he is secretly a demon in the sack. Nevertheless, eww. And lol.
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Date: 2011-11-16 03:53 pm (UTC)I really, really do not know wtf my subconscious was thinking. :(