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Here we go! It's gonna be long though.


You can see the list of finalists here and the list of winners (with stats and such) here.

Overall impressions: People have good taste. Most of the winners, as you’ll see, weren’t that surprising to me, and I had a high degree of agreement in the categories I cared about. I was particularly happy to see three Indigenous winners.

I’m very much a prose person and it shows; I am interested in most of the other categories, but my time is limited, so while I tried to check out as many of the finalists as possible, I didn’t get to everything. If I hadn't read/watched/listen to most of a category, I didn't vote in it. I focused my time on novels, novellas, and short stories and care most about those.


It’s a ranked ballot so I voted for multiple works in many categories, but to avoid this going forever, I’ve only talked about my top choices.


Astounding Award

Winner: Moniquill Blackgoose

My vote: Moniquill Blackgoose

My prediction: Moniquill Blackgoose


I called this b/c my assumption is that everyone else was as blown away by To Shape a Dragon’s Breath as I was. I was correct. Legit can’t wait to see what she does next.


2025 Lodestar Award for Best Young Adult Book

Winner: Sheine Lende, by Darcie Little Badger

My vote: I didn’t, as I hadn’t read any of them.

My prediction: Heavenly Tyrant by Xiran Jay Zhao


No real opinion since I hadn’t read any of these books, but I’ve enjoyed Darcie Little Badger’s other work so I’m happy.

Best Poem

Winner: “A War of Words,” by Marie Brennan

My vote: I didn’t.

My prediction: I don’t know enough about speculative poetry to have an educated opinion.


Best Fan Artist

Winner: Sara Felix

My vote and also my prediction: Sara Felix


I was pretty confused by the entries, to be honest. But I felt she was by far the best one.


Best Fan Writer

Winner: Abigail Nussbaum

My vote and prediction: Abigail Nussbaum


Correct.


Best Fancast

Winner: Eight Days of Diana Wynne Jones, presented by Emily Tesh and Rebecca Fraimow

My vote: I didn’t have time to listen to any of them. Since then, I have checked out A Meal of Thorns and really enjoyed the one episode I listened to.

My prediction: Worldbuilding for Masochists, just because it was the only one I’d heard of.


Best Fanzine

Winner: Black Nerd Problems, editors William Evans and Omar Holmon

My vote: I hadn’t read any of them.

My prediction: Ancillary Review of Books, since again, it was the only one I’d heard of.


Best Semiprozine

Winner: Uncanny Magazine

My vote: Strange Horizons

My prediction: Uncanny Magazine


Best Professional Artist

Winner: Alyssa Winans

My vote: I fully don’t remember who I ranked first. I spent the longest of any category deciding and changed my mind several times.

My prediction: Didn’t have one.


This was one of three categories where I had a brutal time ranking because I thought all five artists were impressive. Alyssa Winans deserved to win and so did everyone else.

Best Editor, Long Form

Winner: Diana M. Pho

My vote: I didn’t. I feel like this is one of those categories where you’d have to work with the person directly, or at least see how the manuscript looked before they edited it.

My prediction: Diana M. Pho, mainly because I see her thanked in a lot of the acknowledgments of books I like.


Best Editor, Short Form

Winner: Neil Clarke

My vote: I didn’t, for the same reasons as with long form.

My prediction: Neil Clarke


The joke about Neil Clarke is that he’s getting to the point where he rejects your work before you send it.


Best Game or Interactive Work

Winner: Caves of Qud, Freehold Games

My vote: I didn’t.

My prediction: Legend of Zelda


I dgaf about vidya games but I was happy that an indie game trounced the games that I’d heard of.


Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form

Winner: Star Trek: Lower Decks: “The New Next Generation,” created and written by Mike McMahan, directed by Megan Lloyd

My vote: Doctor Who: “Dot and Bubble”

My prediction: It was going to be something from Star Trek Lower Decks


Try as I might, I could not get into this show and I don’t see what everyone sees in it (note: this is not a request to try to change my mind—I have tried to watch it a few times, in different moods, and it sets my teeth on edge). “Dot and Bubble,” imo, is the most interesting episode of Doctor Who since “Oxygen” and made me think that the show was really going to be good again.


Best Dramatic Presentation, Long Form

Winner: Dune: Part Two, screenplay by Denis Villeneuve and Jon Spaihts, directed by Denis Villeneuve

My vote: I don’t think I voted

My prediction: I Saw the TV Glow, since I heard it was really good and most people in fandom are gay.


For me, Dune suffers from the same problem as other Villeneuve projects, which is that his visuals are at odds with his theme. It’s a very pretty movie. It’s a good trailer for the book. But it’s not really engaging with any of the ideas or characters and it makes Paul’s White Savior archetype look cool af. I’ve heard Villeneuve’s aesthetic described as Epic Cold, which is mostly just something I can appreciate with my eyes but not with my heart.


Best Related Work

Winner: Speculative Whiteness: Science Fiction and the Alt-Right, by Jordan S. Carroll

My vote: Speculative Whiteness

My prediction: I thought we might be up our own asses enough as a culture that one of the Hugo investigations would win (no shade on either; they’re excellent) but I was really thinking positively on this one.


If anything other than this won it would have been an outrage. This is one of the best pieces of SFFH scholarship out there. It’s absolutely brilliant. Yes, the author is a buddy of mine, no, that bias has nothing to do with it.


Best Graphic Story or Comic

Winner: Star Trek: Lower Decks: Warp Your Own Way, written by Ryan North, art by Chris Fenoglio

My vote: Sadly, I did not have time to read any of these.

My prediction: Star Trek: Lower Decks.

Ryan North is cool but I am more interested in Dinosaur Comics than this.


Best Series

Winner: Between Earth and Sky, by Rebecca Roanhorse

My vote: Tyrant Philosophers by Adrian Tchaikovsky

My prediction: Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson


This one was a real upset and the betting people must have lost their shit. Sanderson is a juggernaut with a legion obsessed fans; Roanhorse has her fans (including me!) but I didn’t think she was anywhere nearly as popular. I’m glad she won and I think that says something very cool about fandom.


I do think Tyrant Philosophers is underrated both in general as a series, and within Tchaikovsky’s own considerable oeuvre. It’s the best thing I read by him and no one else seems to be into it.


Best Short Story

Winner: “Stitched to Skin Like Family Is,” by Nghi Vo

My vote and prediction: “Why Don’t We Just Kill the Kid in the Omelas Hole” by Isabel J. Kim


I’m never going to complain about Nghi Vo winning anything—everything she writes is amazing, including this. I just thought Omelas Hole was fucking hilarious and my guilty pleasure is Omelas Discourse.


Best Novelette

Winner, my vote, and my prediction: “The Four Sisters Overlooking the Sea,” by Naomi Kritzer


Again, this isn’t me being biased, it’s just that great of a story that I couldn’t imagine everyone not being in consensus about it.


Best Novella

Winner: The Tusks of Extinction, by Ray Nayler

My vote: The Practice, the Horizon, and the Chain by Sofia Samatar

My prediction: What Feasts at Night by T. Kingfisher


This year, Best Novella has been the most challenging category for me in all of the awards I can vote in because the entries have all been really strong. I went back and forth on the ranking of these; in the end, the Practice took top place for me because it gave me the most Big Feelings. I unexpectedly loved Tusks of Extinction, though, despite my repeated assertion that it deserved a better title.


Best Novel

Winner: The Tainted Cup, by Robert Jackson Bennett

My vote: Alien Clay by Adrian Tchaikovsky

My prediction: Someone You Can Build a Nest In by John Wiswell


I honestly loved all the novels except Nest, which I assumed would win because it somehow beat out Vajra Chandrasekera’s brilliant Rakesfall in the Nebulas. Glad to report that Worldcon has better taste. (I’m sure he’s a nice guy, this is nothing personal, I just loathed the book.) The Tainted Cup was a bit of a dark horse—I’d never heard of Bennett even though he has quite a bit out, and neither had a lot of the folks I talked to. But the book is genuinely good and interesting and I while I kept changing my mind in terms of ranking, I had it pretty high up there.

But anyway, what did you think? Whether you voted or not, let me know your thoughts!


Date: 2025-08-19 02:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dagibbs
"Winner: Between Earth and Sky, by Rebecca Roanhorse"

I've read the first two (of the three, so far) in this series, and the first two (and only so far) in her The Sixth World series (_Trail of Lightning_, _Storm of Locusts_) and far prefer the Sixth World books. But, I don't think they'd have qualified for nomination this year.

Date: 2025-08-19 04:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
I loved the Sixth World books! I wish she'd write another one.

Sidebar re: Lower Decks

Date: 2025-08-19 02:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
I admit that LDS' charms also have an irregular effect at best on me. Other friends of mine think more consistently highly of it, of course, and since it's helped expand and preserve the larger fandom and - more importantly - brings joy to my friends' lives... *shrugs*

So...you're not alone?

Date: 2025-08-19 02:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] altamira16
I think a lot of people like Sanderson, but they also agree that he is quantity over quality lately.

I liked the Between Earth and Sky series. I have read the first two books in it.

Date: 2025-08-19 03:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dissectionist
something I can appreciate with my eyes but not with my heart.

Oh my god, this is the perfect description of how I feel about Art Nouveau. It’s pretty to look at but it never goes deeper than that. My heart belongs to Art Deco alone.

As for Lower Decks, I tried watching a couple episodes and it didn’t click for me either. Though a lot of Star Trek stuff doesn’t (the only series I loved were Voyager, DS9, and Picard).

Service Model and Alien Clay are both on hold for me at the library; I placed the holds a couple months ago but still have a couple months to go. I’ll get them eventually!

Date: 2025-08-19 04:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
SOMEONE ELSE who doeesn't like that Lower Decks show? Man, the last time ST people tried to shove a show down my throat that hard it was the Orville.

I was really really disappointed TV Glow didn't win, and in general the short and long form drama categories have felt super predictable and mainstream for like a decade now, or longer. I was also bummed Monsters didn't win.

I don't think I read everything in any category, and I didn't read anything in a lot of categories. I'm just way out of the loop.

I honestly think an author should have ONE BOOK per category. Hard limit. And no best novel/best series concurrent nominations either.

Date: 2025-08-19 03:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Oh yeah, Foundation not being nominated is a travesty. But I have no idea how many Hugo-voting people are watching it. I was shocked at how small the pool of votes for best novel was. Something like 1200?

Date: 2025-08-19 09:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
But whaaa

They paid, right? What is it for them, just networking/partying??

Date: 2025-08-19 10:07 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Mainly partying and the chance to meet your favourite authors

I think this is where my "get away from me, I'm trying to read" personality is the problem, lol. Giant groups of ppl = no fucking thank you. (My parents took me to Disneyland when I was six. After an hour I wanted to go home. Only unhappy six-year-old at Disneyland, they had no idea what to do with me.)

Date: 2025-08-19 09:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Shit, this year the packet included AUDIOBOOKS?

Date: 2025-08-19 09:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
FUCK time to save up for next years'! But I'll feel bad bc no way will I ever get it together enough to even read everything. But, goddamn.

Date: 2025-08-19 11:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] selki
I looked at the stats Sunday and figured out it was the Hugo Best Fancast Award where *Eight Days of Diana Wynne Jones* had 196 votes, and *Worldbuilding for Masochists* had 195. The fan categories usually get the lowest number of votes (I always vote for the fan categories, since I started voting). https://seattlein2025.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/2025-Hugo-Voting-Statistics.pdf

Date: 2025-08-20 12:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] selki
I had voted for 8 Days of DWJ ranked first (despite my having guested on one of the other finalists), and WorldBuilding for Masochists near the bottom, so I was pretty pleased as well as surprised!

Date: 2025-08-19 03:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Tchaikovsky split his vote and I’m not sure why he didn’t withdraw one

I remember various writers and podcasters withdrawing their nominations either because they'd already won or had had multiple nominations. I think they were all women though.

Date: 2025-08-21 10:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lizbee
He withdrew his in protest over the use of AI to vet panelists!

ce

Date: 2025-08-19 01:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greylock
A lot of these are new to me, or only known via your blog.
But since I dig old stuff ( Am currently reading an Asmiov Hugo winner from 1973...?) and I have long since realised award winners are... egh, what they are, I am happy you seem to be vibing with the mood, enough.

I can't change your mind about Lower Decks, buuuuuut, it's a lot better than you'd expect. Buuuuut, I like Prodigy. And TAS. So, maybe it's a thing that'll grow on you.
That episode... it's populist. I did expect the Harry Kim episode would get the props.

I have THOUGHTS about Dr Who. Dot and Bubble was amazing initially, Oxygen.... In and of itself, Amazing. but as part of a show.,..

Re: ce

Date: 2025-08-20 01:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greylock
It might just be one of those things that is enjoyed from a certain POV.

I watched one episode of Rick and Morty and hated it, and expected nothing from Lower Decks.

Re: ce

Date: 2025-08-21 12:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greylock
The wacky antics were the worst part of Lower Decks, but within the metatextual narrative framework, they actually justified a lot of it - in context.

But I am a sap for Stars Wars and Trek. I even enjoyed The Orville (and bought Voyager on DVD) against my better judgement.

And some things just need the Nth Factor to hit.
Christ, it took me until 2023 to actually watch all of Star Trek:TAS, and I had the View Master from 1979 and the novels in 2001.

Date: 2025-08-19 06:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aflatmirror

I might come back and make another more substantive comment, but thank you for validating my inability to get into Lower Decks. The crossover episode with Strange New Worlds had me thinking the whole time "if this is supposed to be an advertisement for Lower Decks, it is not working for me"

Date: 2025-08-19 09:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Lol there's more of us!

Date: 2025-08-19 07:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] springheel_jack
I wonder how many other people didn't like either "The Arrival" or "Blade Runner 203whatever". Dune was fun to look at but also intellectually empty/confused.

As you know, I was all in on Lower Decks. I'm still ticked off it was cancelled.

Date: 2025-08-19 09:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
loathed Blade Runner 2049. Beyond what I saw as thematic emptiness and fanservice with Harrison Ford, there was a deep-rooted misogyny in the film that was barely masked by a "the future is female" narrative. Hated it

I LOVE YOU

Date: 2025-08-19 09:25 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
I DID TOO! LOL

"No see this is REALLY FUCKING SEXIST" and ppl would act like it was 1992 all over again

I was so happy it flopped. Fucking travesty. Poor Sean Young. "We made an exact replica of her young face!" Fuck ALL the way off.

Date: 2025-08-19 09:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Fucking YES to both these. Young was just stunning in that part. Ot felt like such a desecration of her real face and the character.

"the violence against women in that film felt really sexualized"

YES and that was in real contrast to the first film, I thought. He shoots Zhora in the back! It's not a Big Hero moment.

Date: 2025-08-19 11:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] selki
I just thought Omelas Hole was fucking hilarious and my guilty pleasure is Omelas Discourse.

Then I really recommend you listen to the latest episode of Hugo Best Fancast *Eight Days of Diana Wynne Jones*, on DWJ's book "A Tale of Time City". I've never read DWJ, but their analyses of her books are so interesting, and one of them had an edition with an intro by Ursula K. Le Guin, and they believe there are REASONS why Le Guin wrote this intro, as in "in conversation with ...".
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