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As my generation becomes old fogies, the distinction between "your" and "you're" will be forgotten by the vast majority of English-speakers, if it isn't already.

Date: 2009-12-21 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnanel.livejournal.com
I wonder how long there's been a distinction made. I wonder how I'd even go about finding out.

Date: 2009-12-21 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pofflewomp.livejournal.com
Fowler's Modern English Usage? Hang on, I'll pop and check.

Date: 2009-12-26 08:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terry-terrible.livejournal.com
Strunk and White!!!!!

Date: 2009-12-21 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jvmatucha.livejournal.com
Oh come on! Your worried about nothing!

Date: 2009-12-21 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com
Your all depressing me.

Date: 2009-12-26 08:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terry-terrible.livejournal.com
oh plz, lol.

Date: 2009-12-21 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
Well, as a teacher its all you're fault!

C whut I did thar!?

Date: 2009-12-21 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
Being serious for a moment (I know!), what is the purpose of writing? From a purely functional point of view the you're vs. your distinction isn't of great value. Who is going to be confused? We don't confuse them when spoken. On the other hand, perhaps the purpose of writing is to fossilise the speech patterns of a particular time, place and class and thereby confer status on the person able to deploy that kind of language. That's basicallywhat happened with ltin as the spoken form morphed into the family of Romance languages while the written form stayed locked in the speech patterns of the first century CE patricians. I can't see English evolving that way given near universal literacy and especially given that, fogies like myself aside, huge quantities of linguistic complexity are being dumped, even by 'educated' people' in both the written and spoken forms of the language. I shall be sad to see the loss of the simple perfect tense and should the subjunctive survive I would be delighted.

Date: 2009-12-21 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mistersmearcase.livejournal.com
The subjunctive is about one foot and four toes in the grave. In our lifetimes it's been a pretty vestigal thing in English anyway.

Date: 2009-12-21 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
I'd agree that it is all but dead but I don't think that was true when I was at school. English, especially British English, has changed a great deal in the last fifty years,

Date: 2009-12-21 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pofflewomp.livejournal.com
Would the subjunctive survive I too should be delighted.

Date: 2009-12-21 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pofflewomp.livejournal.com
Were the subjunctive to survive?

Date: 2009-12-21 02:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] curgoth
They will all be replaced by "ur".

LOL! ^_^

Date: 2009-12-21 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pluvka.livejournal.com
i was gonna say this same thing

Date: 2009-12-21 06:48 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-12-21 03:58 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-12-21 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
I worry about the same thing...

Date: 2009-12-21 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] genesayssitdown.livejournal.com
wait wat do u mean??? lol

Date: 2009-12-21 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] northbard.livejournal.com
Their all just kidding you. Don't worry...

Date: 2009-12-21 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mistersmearcase.livejournal.com
I had this weird thought for a minute the other day that written language might be on its way out. I mean you'd think not, because texting and IMing are a big thing, but...I wonder in a hundred years if most things won't be voice-based and written language will be only used for a few things.

It's weird how things like your/you're eliminate our (or at least my) anti-prescriptivist populist whatever. It bugs me, and then I think about it and think "it's still clear what is meant, and it's almost universal, so maybe my objections are based in some kind of meaningless, codified elitism" and...it still bugs me.

Date: 2009-12-21 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frandroid.livejournal.com
I was wondering about the same thing, but really it's all about being a utopian person, searching for order and justice*, where things happen for a reason, have a meaning and depth.

Date: 2009-12-21 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pofflewomp.livejournal.com
Or it could be just frustration that people can't manage something so obvious and simple, and fear that they might be incapable of grasping more important and subtle things in life if they can't master such basics.

Date: 2009-12-22 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mistersmearcase.livejournal.com
Good point, but I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea that rule-following is a quality I prize so highly.

Date: 2009-12-22 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pofflewomp.livejournal.com
Yes, I empathise! Exactly the same worry has kept me awake at nights too, well, almost! I don't like to be a rule-follower or rule-stickler, but I am very pro-spelling and grammar rules! Why oh why?
I have always been a pedant as far as spelling and grammar are concerned, although I have to give pedantry up now as with decline in brain my spelling and grammar are going all wobbly like.

I am very against the idea of changing standard spelling to look like how things sound, though. It makes no sense, as different accents make words sound different, and also it takes away the history of the word that is often shown in its spelling.

Date: 2009-12-21 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cannibal-x.livejournal.com
ur a radical in politics and a conservative in language :)

Date: 2009-12-21 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoneself.livejournal.com
by the time people are complaining widely about a linguistic phenomena, it's too late.

in order for people to notice, the phenomena has to already have taken root.

the trick is that it is children who drive most linguistic change, and most people don't notice what children are doing until they've changed the language.

children dare to boldly go.
Edited Date: 2009-12-21 07:00 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-12-21 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frandroid.livejournal.com
I don't think it's bold if you don't know any better. :)

Date: 2009-12-21 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoneself.livejournal.com
with all these adults telling them so, they are sure to know.

Date: 2009-12-21 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thegiantkiller.livejournal.com
Not if they don't listen.

Date: 2009-12-22 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoneself.livejournal.com
i think kids should ignore adults when they are telling them stupid stuff.

Date: 2009-12-22 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frandroid.livejournal.com
They usually listen to the stupid stuff and ignore the good stuff though :P

Date: 2009-12-22 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoneself.livejournal.com
so says an adult

Date: 2009-12-21 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chainsaw-hime.livejournal.com
It doesn't help that my iPhone will auto-correct "your" into "you're" even when I am using the term that means "belonging to you." It will do similar with always changing my "its" to "it's".

Date: 2009-12-21 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pofflewomp.livejournal.com
Long forgotten, methinks. It's and its. There, they're, their. Wiggle, squiggle, piggledepop. Sploshmonster and foo.

Date: 2009-12-21 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pofflewomp.livejournal.com
hoary grammar, whorey granma, blah.

Date: 2009-12-21 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thegiantkiller.livejournal.com
I wish that were the worst of the problem. The assignments I'm grading now (from university undergrads, most of them in their second or more-th year) are by and large incomprehensible--never mind apostrophe placement, this is just agrammatical word salad.

Date: 2009-12-22 12:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ironed_orchid
This is our generation's equivalent of "you damn kids get off my lawn".

I'm going to fight to the very last!

Date: 2009-12-22 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bike4fish.livejournal.com
Youse are all funny.

Date: 2009-12-22 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanmonster.livejournal.com
Whenever I see someone write "yea" when they mean "yeah", it aggravates me to no end.

Date: 2009-12-23 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rohmie.livejournal.com
I was once told that everyone born after 1972 would be incapable of reading an analog watch because every timepiece would be digital. Shortly thereafter, Swatches came out.
Edited Date: 2009-12-23 11:24 pm (UTC)

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