Other things I don't get
Jan. 9th, 2011 03:58 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
1. The shooter is probably mentally ill, so the attack is probably not politically motivated.
This, to me, is a disturbing statement, both because of its ableism and because of its denial of agency. I have clinical depression but I am also politically left-wing. Glenn Beck is bipolar and is a fascist. Many suicide bombers are mentally ill, and yet this can be conveniently forgotten if the perpetrator is brown. (Only white people are mentally ill, right?)
Most paranoid schizophrenics manage not to kill people. No paranoid schizophrenic, unless he or she is living in the wilderness, is entirely isolated from social, cultural, and political context.
2. The shooter may not be a card-carrying member of any political party or movement, so the attack is not political.
It's a very American idea, really, that one has to be registered as a voting member of a political party to be considered political. I'm a socialist, but this can mean all sorts of things. I'm not a member of any political party (the only political card I hold is an IWW red card, and I can hardly be considered an active member these days), but I still somehow manage to hold political opinions.
I was at a G20 rally yesterday. It was an interesting mix of people, including some folks I can only assume were undercover cops. There were very few familiar faces and a staggering variety of political opinions, many of which I don't hold. I'm not a pro-pot activist*, a Trotskyist, a member of the NDP, an anarchist, or a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, but all of those people were there, strange bedfellows for a sort of nebulous cause, and grouped, however uncomfortably, under the broad political designation of "left."
The right, in North America, is nearly as diverse and just as full of internal contradiction, if a little better organized. One cannot simply assume that an individual is not politically right-wing because they don't vote Republican, or because they smoke pot. We can consider anti-government militia types and people who think that the government should have staggeringly more power as broadly right-wing, just as we can consider anarchists and Stalinists as broadly left-wing.
3. The guns at political events issue.
Funnily enough, I was just remarking the other day that I don't understand why there's not a huge movement of gun owners in favour of gun control. Granted, the gun enthusiasts I know may not be typical (hardcore types who want to be prepared come the revolution, sport shooters, and hunters), but beyond the revolutionary argument for gun ownership and perhaps financial considerations, I really can't imagine a logical argument against licensing and regulation. It seems like this could be an area of common ground between the right and the left, but American right-wingers really do seem to think there should be no restrictions on weapons whatsoever.
When I hear about people openly carrying guns to town hall events, it makes me wonder why there aren't more assassination attempts, or at least accidents. Honestly, Americans, you don't get how weird that looks to the rest of the world.
4. Both sides have extremes.
This is wishy-washy liberalism at its worst. The American left is flaccid, passive, and fairly right-wing by global standards. Some people on the American right use Mexican migrants as target practice, others call for torture and assassination, and some openly admit that they can't wait for the apocalypse. There's no balance here, folks. Also, calling someone a "teabagger" is not the same as calling someone an "illegal," or worse.
5. Words have power/words don't have power.
When Ward Churchill wrote "Some People Push Back: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens" in 2001, the right (and large swaths of the left) went after him. Only the far-left granted him any sort of "right to free speech"; to the rest of North American political society, there was little distinction between a perceived justification of terrorist acts and actually committing terrorist acts. The right now seems to think that death threats are protected speech, so long as they're directed against the centre or left, and cannot be linked to actual acts of violence.
Just as asinine, of course, is the argument that political rhetoric alone will create a new Rwanda in the U.S., but I've seen much less of that argument on the intertubes.
6. The Nazis were left-wing.
What? I keep seeing this everywhere. What are they teaching in these schools?
7. You shouldn't politicize tragedy.
Really? No, really? Why the hell not?
* I think pot should be legal, don't get me wrong. I'm just incredibly apathetic about it.
This, to me, is a disturbing statement, both because of its ableism and because of its denial of agency. I have clinical depression but I am also politically left-wing. Glenn Beck is bipolar and is a fascist. Many suicide bombers are mentally ill, and yet this can be conveniently forgotten if the perpetrator is brown. (Only white people are mentally ill, right?)
Most paranoid schizophrenics manage not to kill people. No paranoid schizophrenic, unless he or she is living in the wilderness, is entirely isolated from social, cultural, and political context.
2. The shooter may not be a card-carrying member of any political party or movement, so the attack is not political.
It's a very American idea, really, that one has to be registered as a voting member of a political party to be considered political. I'm a socialist, but this can mean all sorts of things. I'm not a member of any political party (the only political card I hold is an IWW red card, and I can hardly be considered an active member these days), but I still somehow manage to hold political opinions.
I was at a G20 rally yesterday. It was an interesting mix of people, including some folks I can only assume were undercover cops. There were very few familiar faces and a staggering variety of political opinions, many of which I don't hold. I'm not a pro-pot activist*, a Trotskyist, a member of the NDP, an anarchist, or a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, but all of those people were there, strange bedfellows for a sort of nebulous cause, and grouped, however uncomfortably, under the broad political designation of "left."
The right, in North America, is nearly as diverse and just as full of internal contradiction, if a little better organized. One cannot simply assume that an individual is not politically right-wing because they don't vote Republican, or because they smoke pot. We can consider anti-government militia types and people who think that the government should have staggeringly more power as broadly right-wing, just as we can consider anarchists and Stalinists as broadly left-wing.
3. The guns at political events issue.
Funnily enough, I was just remarking the other day that I don't understand why there's not a huge movement of gun owners in favour of gun control. Granted, the gun enthusiasts I know may not be typical (hardcore types who want to be prepared come the revolution, sport shooters, and hunters), but beyond the revolutionary argument for gun ownership and perhaps financial considerations, I really can't imagine a logical argument against licensing and regulation. It seems like this could be an area of common ground between the right and the left, but American right-wingers really do seem to think there should be no restrictions on weapons whatsoever.
When I hear about people openly carrying guns to town hall events, it makes me wonder why there aren't more assassination attempts, or at least accidents. Honestly, Americans, you don't get how weird that looks to the rest of the world.
4. Both sides have extremes.
This is wishy-washy liberalism at its worst. The American left is flaccid, passive, and fairly right-wing by global standards. Some people on the American right use Mexican migrants as target practice, others call for torture and assassination, and some openly admit that they can't wait for the apocalypse. There's no balance here, folks. Also, calling someone a "teabagger" is not the same as calling someone an "illegal," or worse.
5. Words have power/words don't have power.
When Ward Churchill wrote "Some People Push Back: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens" in 2001, the right (and large swaths of the left) went after him. Only the far-left granted him any sort of "right to free speech"; to the rest of North American political society, there was little distinction between a perceived justification of terrorist acts and actually committing terrorist acts. The right now seems to think that death threats are protected speech, so long as they're directed against the centre or left, and cannot be linked to actual acts of violence.
Just as asinine, of course, is the argument that political rhetoric alone will create a new Rwanda in the U.S., but I've seen much less of that argument on the intertubes.
6. The Nazis were left-wing.
What? I keep seeing this everywhere. What are they teaching in these schools?
7. You shouldn't politicize tragedy.
Really? No, really? Why the hell not?
* I think pot should be legal, don't get me wrong. I'm just incredibly apathetic about it.
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Date: 2011-01-09 09:13 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-09 09:21 pm (UTC)Never mind that mentally ill people don't have a statistically higher rate of perpetrating crime, or that crime committed by mentally ill people is largely preventable, or that marginalizing a significant segment of the population is harmful.
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Date: 2011-01-09 09:23 pm (UTC)thanks.
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Date: 2011-01-09 09:22 pm (UTC)She shoots, she scores!
Did you ever watch this?
http://jvmatucha.livejournal.com/411493.html
Would you mind if I linked to this post?
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Date: 2011-01-09 09:23 pm (UTC)Go ahead and link away.
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Date: 2011-01-09 09:25 pm (UTC)#4 makes me want shave my head so I don't have to tear my head out. I hate that so much. "You're only showing your side" FFS!
#6 The Nazi's were left wing because they were socialists, duh! National Socialism, hello!
#7 Because tragedy is personal and private and other kinds of illogical BS that comes from people who don't understand that tragedy (but not everything that is tragic) is a spectacle and thus always political.
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Date: 2011-01-10 12:22 am (UTC)You can't get into secret-service protected events with a gun, of course. Nobody gets within a quarter mile of the President who is packing, even in concealed-carry states. I expect that sort of thing to be expanded after this. Lots more metal detectors and backscatter nudie-rama machines. Just like in Israel, another country where people openly tote weapons all the time; the price is that you have to be inspected all the time and, of course, profiled.
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Date: 2011-01-10 01:59 am (UTC)The thuggish guys with guns at large gatherings just freak me right out. I don't see why everyone isn't completely intimidated all the time.
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Date: 2011-01-10 01:16 am (UTC)The argument they seem to be making is "no *reasonable* person would have listened to us/thought we were calling for the violent elimination of our political opponents, so we aren't responsible for this!"
Constrain and narrow down the definition of "reasonable" and "person" as needed to explain away your little embarrassing incident du jour.
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Date: 2011-01-10 02:16 am (UTC)I am glad you exist, Sabs.
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Date: 2011-01-10 05:27 am (UTC)Getting back on track here, the right is much more coherent and homogenious because they organize and recruit through Christian churches. Though the Mormons, Catholics and Pentecostals can't agree on theology, they can agree who they hate and thier rejection of modernism.
3. When I hear about people openly carrying guns to town hall events, it makes me wonder why there aren't more assassination attempts, or at least accidents.
I do to. Actually the very low level of politcal violence in American since the 1970s has been quite remarkable.
4. 4. Both sides have extremes.
Every time I hear this phrase I want to projectile vomit. One of my pet-peeves is that it's said in ignorance of context (ideaology and motivation)
5.6. The Nazis were left-wing.
Historical Amnesia.
7. You shouldn't politicize tragedy
Really? No, really? Why the hell not?
FTW!
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Date: 2011-01-10 05:35 am (UTC)I heard that there was a shooting were several people were killed in Oakland this weekend. I want to see those victim's faces plastered on CNN 24/7 and people gather for candle-lit vigil for them, just for one day.
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Date: 2011-01-10 06:19 am (UTC)Damn.
Someone's probably already said it, but maybe people people take the phrase National Socialism too seriously.
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Date: 2011-01-10 09:26 pm (UTC)However, I also think that when one says a gunman is "crazy rather than politically motivated" they are thinking of someone like Hinkley who shot Reagan because he wanted to move into the White House with Jodi Foster.
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Date: 2011-01-10 11:06 pm (UTC)I always thought Stalinism was right wing. "The further left you go, the more right wing you become."
Yes about mental health and deranged gunmen. I assumed all right wingers were mad, but then I've never been one for being sensible or polite or bothering to look beyond wild hyperbole for subtle possibilities or any suchlike.
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Date: 2011-01-11 01:10 am (UTC)Stalinism was politically authoritarian, but economically left-wing. Some of my friends and comrades have tried to cast Stalin as a rightist (and he certainly was in comparison to my politics and those of most other communists), but to me, that's akin to the right trying to disown Nazism. Bad shit was done in the name of ideals that I broadly agree with, and we have to own that and make sure, if we ever get in power, that we don't fall into the same traps.
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Date: 2011-01-10 11:19 pm (UTC)I am shocked at the lengths the police go to!
Also I am worried that people will think I am an undercover policewoman.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jan/10/mark-kennedy-undercover-cop-activist
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